I'm looking at switching the bbs back to linux. I had it on Ubuntu but not sure if I want to go back to it. Those of you running Mystic on Linux, can you give me some help on deciding which distros I should look at?

ogg
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I'm looking at switching the bbs back to linux. I had it on Ubuntu but not sure if I want to go back to it. Those of you running Mystic on
Linux, can you give me some help on deciding which distros I should look

I have preferred Debian for my server for some time now. I don't use it for anything else, and don't utilize any
GUI with the server at all. However, I have great uptime and plenty of available packages as well as resources for how-tos,etc.

Ubuntu isn't horrible at all, I just find it bloated, especially if I'm not needing a GUI at all.


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Ubuntu isn't horrible at all, I just find it bloated, especially if I'm not needing a GUI at all.

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Being bloated is why I'm looking. I just need enough to run Mystic.

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I'm looking at switching the bbs back to linux. I had it on Ubuntu but not sure if I want to go back to it. Those of you running Mystic on
Linux, can you give me some help on deciding which distros I should look at?

I use Ubuntu, and in my past life was a Debian acolyte. I just found Debian to be so utterly slow in taking new features (part of its value prop, I think) that I was more suited to the Ubuntu release cycles.

I also liked CentOS in the past but now am not sure what out of that family I'd use...

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I'm looking at switching the bbs back to linux. I had it on Ubuntu but not sure if I want to go back to it. Those of you running Mystic on
Linux, can you give me some help on deciding which distros I should look at?

I moved my install to Debian. Only because I don't like the direction Ubuntu is going with snap packages.

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ogg wrote to Mandarax <=-

Ubuntu isn't horrible at all, I just find it bloated, especially if I'm not needing a GUI at all.

Being bloated is why I'm looking. I just need enough to run
Mystic.

Ubuntu Server maybe?



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I'm looking at switching the bbs back to linux. I had it on Ubuntu but not sure if I want to go back to it. Those of you running Mystic on
Linux, can you give me some help on deciding which distros I should look at?

Ubuntu server is ALWAYS worth a consideration. I landed on Debian - its historically a bit more 'solid', but behind the Ubuntu streams...

Really, any server distro that tickles yer fancy would be something to consider - I like to land on a distro thats 'current' but not bleeding edge. At one point I wanted to try an Arch server, and IMO thats just a dumb choice - for a bbS platform.

If all else fails, just use the LTS Ubuntu Server and be done - but don't be afraid to choose something else you prefer. I chose Debian, ultimatly, because 2oFB originally ran on a Raspberry Pi and RPiOS was Debian-based; and Debian is rock solid - I haven't l00ked back.



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Being bloated is why I'm looking. I just need enough to run Mystic.

Aside from trying to push SNAP packages, I don't find Ubuntu *server* to be bloated at all... nix the SNAP, and its solid.

And the community support/capability is unmatched for any distro. (Google searches equal fixes.)



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I use Ubuntu, and in my past life was a Debian acolyte. I just found Debian to be so utterly slow in taking new features (part of its value prop, I think) that I was more suited to the Ubuntu release cycles.

We're running bbS softwarez - Debian isn't *30* years in the rears. :P In fact, I can whip up dosemu2 quicker on Debian than on Ubuntu. :P

I also liked CentOS in the past but now am not sure what out of that family I'd use...

Ahhh - this is also something to consider. I always liked CentOS when I need rock solid, but still wanted a GUI - but know that its also very capable w/o that GUI part... another good choice.

Ubuntu
Debian
CentOS

All solid IMO.



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Ubuntu
Debian
CentOS

All solid IMO.

Thanks for the help! Since I cut my teeth on linux mint, raspbian and ubuntu, I guess I'm a debian guy. I don't want to have to worry about making the os work along with the bbs, I decided to stick with debian. I'll look into the other suggestions after moving things over.

ogg
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Ubuntu
Debian
CentOS

Problem with CentOS, it's now a rolling release. More room for depencency breakage....

Maybe Rocky would be a better choice to replace out CentOS.

You could also go with a REHL install. They allow a free license for home.

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On 23 Nov 2022 at 09:16p, ogg pondered and said...

Thanks for the help! Since I cut my teeth on linux mint, raspbian and ubuntu, I guess I'm a debian guy. I don't want to have to worry about making the os work along with the bbs, I decided to stick with debian. I'll look into the other suggestions after moving things over.

I'm by no means a Linux expert but what I have tended to use is Debian... I'm using that now for Agency, fsxNet NET1 HUB and also the Usenet server I'm running etc. HTH

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Thanks for the help! Since I cut my teeth on linux mint, raspbian and ubuntu, I guess I'm a debian guy.

Well those sound like yer an Ubuntu guy - but all the same. :P Glad you found a linux base.



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On 22 Nov 2022, ogg said the following...

I'm looking at switching the bbs back to linux. I had it on Ubuntu but not sure if I want to go back to it. Those of you running Mystic on
Linux, can you give me some help on deciding which distros I should look at?

I am using Debian on both my Mystic and my Synchronet... I started getting into Linux about 2 years ago and was a Ubuntu guy, I taught myself how to use Ubuntu with that, when I decided to get rid of Windows about a year ago on my main system, I installed Ubuntu and for some reason 1 of my monitors wouldn't work and when I did get it to work the computer was moving at a crawl! I gave Debian a shot at that point, and still had the issue with the 3rd monitor, but I kind of liked the strip down feeling of it, I use XFCE as my desktop with it also very lightweight and Mystic flies.. I had an issue in Windows where when going into the message base and hitting I it would take anywhere from 10-30 seconds to get the listing. Only way to stop that issue was by going through each base at once and marking all messages as read, then it was almost instant.. Upon moving Mystic to Debian, doing the same thing it is almost instant.. I like the lightweightness of it. Not a fan of the first installs as the setup time is for getting it fully set up for usage is longer then Ubuntu, but it works nice for me. I have a Template now in Proxmox where everything is set up and I just clone it and go.. Give Debian a shot in a VM and see how you like it..

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Thanks for the help! Since I cut my teeth on linux mint, raspbian and
ubuntu, I guess I'm a debian guy.

Well those sound like yer an Ubuntu guy - but all the same. :P Glad you found a linux base.

pAULIE42o

Actually, I went with Debian direct. I had too many issues with Ubuntu/python.

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On 22 Nov 2022, ogg said the following...

I'm looking at switching the bbs back to linux. I had it on Ubuntu but not sure if I want to go back to it. Those of you running Mystic on
Linux, can you give me some help on deciding which distros I should look at?

I guess the first question would be if you want/need a GUI or not? Then if you're looking for something you're already familiar with or not? How much tinkering with the actual OS you're wanting to do also comes into play, I guess.

There's so many possibilities I can't really answer your question, nor can anyone really, except for pushing you (opinion based only) in the direction of the distros we're all using and have used. lol

Regards,
Nick

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On 22 Nov 2022, esc said the following...

I use Ubuntu, and in my past life was a Debian acolyte. I just found Debian to be so utterly slow in taking new features (part of its value prop, I think) that I was more suited to the Ubuntu release cycles.

Agreed about Debian. Debian is solid, and stable as all get out, but even new releases of Debian are so far behind most other distros (even if you use the bleeding edge version of Debian, whatever it's name is now). As a tinkerer, it bugged me. However if you just want something that will run with no issues for years on end till the next release comes out, then it's definitely a good choice. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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On 23 Nov 2022, paulie420 said the following...

Really, any server distro that tickles yer fancy would be something to consider - I like to land on a distro thats 'current' but not bleeding edge. At one point I wanted to try an Arch server, and IMO thats just a dumb choice - for a bbS platform.

Why is it a dumb choice for a BBS platform? Honestly, I've been running Archlinux here for all of my servers (3 VMs, 2 BBS related and the other a Plex server) for over a decade now. I've never had to reinstall or format and start over, etc. Arch is actually quite stable for being so current.

And.. it's a BBS platform. It's not like any of us are hosting super duper secret service type stuff. I mean most of us use passwords over plain text for most BBS/FTN related stuff for fuck's sake.

I think the best answer is, "any distro that tickles yer fancy". Doesn't even have to be known as a "server distro". Windows and even DOS also hosts BBSs quite well - and have been doing so long before Linux became popular (this one's for Atreyu ;)), as much as some people don't want to hear that. :D

Regards,
Nick

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Arch is my main machine distro, because I enjoy using and testing the newest packages.

Why is it a dumb choice for a BBS platform? Honestly, I've been running Archlinux here for all of my servers (3 VMs, 2 BBS related and the other
a Plex server) for over a decade now. I've never had to reinstall or format and start over, etc. Arch is actually quite stable for being so current.

I don't like to use rolling releases on any of my servers because I don't want bleeding edge.

I think the best answer is, "any distro that tickles yer fancy".

And theres your answer.



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I don't like to use rolling releases on any of my servers because I
don't want bleeding edge.

I use Arch for my daily computing desktop needs and love it for that purpose, but it does tend to break once in a while and need some extra attention to get things working as expected. Debian and Ubuntu Server in my experience only have things break at major version upgrades, but that's the expectation (having a major version change requiring some manual intervention). And it's well documented. So that's why I prefer Debian or Ubuntu for my servers.

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On 25 Nov 2022, paulie420 said the following...

Arch is my main machine distro, because I enjoy using and testing the newest packages.

While arch is a rolling distro, and tends to get new packages pretty fast, it's still not really "bleeding edge" although it's probably about as close as you're going to get without compiling as soon as said maintainers release. In Arch, the latest and greatest is still tested quite a bit before being allowed into the package management system.

I don't like to use rolling releases on any of my servers because I
don't want bleeding edge.

That's definitely a valid opinion (exact words: "I don't want"). However, that doesn't make Arch (or any other distro you don't prefer to use) a bad choice for a BBS platform. ;)

I think the best answer is, "any distro that tickles yer fancy".

And theres your answer.

In the world of Linux, where people like to argue about the dumbest things like which distro is the best and why it's better than Windows, it's really the _only_ answer. When one has the urge to try out Linux, they should take the time and have the patience to try out as many distros as they possibly can until they find the one they like the best.

Heck, I used to use Gentoo unstable as my server platform. I've always enjoyed tinkering and fixing what's broken, etc. So, if you know anything about Gentoo unstable.. that's what I did, moreso than being able to work on the BBS itself. That grew old after awhile. ;)

Regards,
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On 25 Nov 2022, esc said the following...

I use Arch for my daily computing desktop needs and love it for that purpose, but it does tend to break once in a while and need some extra attention to get things working as expected. Debian and Ubuntu Server in my experience only have things break at major version upgrades, but
that's the expectation (having a major version change requiring some manual intervention). And it's well documented. So that's why I prefer Debian or Ubuntu for my servers.

If I may ask, what tends to break on you once in awhile? In my experience, the only issues I've ever had is while upgrading, (and this doesn't happen very often, mind you) PGP keys aren't removed or some such and you have to install archlinux-keyring manually before continuing with a normal pacman upgrade.

Otherwise, I have nothing against Debian, especially for a server platform. It just doesn't 'tickle my fancy', lol. I think I've had more issues in the past with Ubuntu than anything else, but that was back when I still used a GUI and apparantly they phased out my video card at the time which took forever to figure out. By the time I did they were just starting to introduce the "legacy" drivers and any time you ran an upgrade (not even a major one) everything went to shit and had to spend hours fixing it. I'm sure it's a lot better now, but it still leaves a sour taste for me. Had I been using any other distro at the time I probably wouldn't have anything against Ubuntu either. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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I use Arch for my daily computing desktop needs and love it for that purpose, but it does tend to break once in a while and need some extra attention to get things working as expected. Debian and Ubuntu Server in my experience only have things break at major version upgrades, but
that's the expectation (having a major version change requiring some manual intervention). And it's well documented. So that's why I prefer Debian or Ubuntu for my servers.

While I don't fault it, as I enjoy rolling for my main machines, I can't think of any 12 month period where SOMETHING in Arch breaks that needs my intervention.

The last thing was the GRUB issue that left the machine needing a GRUB-mkconfig in order to boot... no biggy, arch-chroot in, run the command and move on - but for me, those issues don't jive with a server machine that needs to be up.

Same same.. :P



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I use Ubuntu, and in my past life was a Debian acolyte. I just found Debian to be so utterly slow in taking new features (part of its valu prop, I think) that I was more suited to the Ubuntu release cycles.

Agreed about Debian. Debian is solid, and stable as all get out, but
even new releases of Debian are so far behind most other distros (even
if you use the bleeding edge version of Debian, whatever it's name is now). As a tinkerer, it bugged me. However if you just want something
that will run with no issues for years on end till the next release
comes out, then it's definitely a good choice. ;)

Regards,
Nick

I'm running a test system on a Raspberry Pi using Rapsbian. Raspbian is basically just Debian for the Raspberry Pi.

Debian is stable, updates slowly and carefully (a plus here) and has lots of packages available.

I don't think it really matters much which distro you use, Mystic should run on most of them without any issue but I prefer distro's which are widely used and "standard".

The other thing that is good about choosing Debian, is if you run into trouble you've got other Debian users who can help you.

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While arch is a rolling distro, and tends to get new packages pretty
fast, it's still not really "bleeding edge" although it's probably about as close as you're going to get without compiling as soon as said maintainers release. In Arch, the latest and greatest is still tested quite a bit before being allowed into the package management system.

Mmmm, not sure I 100% agree with this. :)

Upstream changes make their way into the pacman repos pretty fast, typically. As an example, 16 days ago there was a systemd update which broke secure boot in a number of BIOSes and was first discovered downstream by Arch users, and it took until six days ago to actually fix.

This happened several months ago with grub using EFI boot in a similar way; Arch /users/ first discovered it (not beta testers) and it took some time to roll out a fix. In fact, they never did roll out a fix; they rolled out some mitigation docs and called it a day.

Having used Arch for desktop purposes for several years on and off, it's my favorite desktop distro, but I definitely feel like I'm as bleeding edge as anyone can be without manually downloading and installing packages from github at every approved PR.

In the world of Linux, where people like to argue about the dumbest
things like which distro is the best and why it's better than Windows, it's really the _only_ answer. When one has the urge to try out Linux, they should take the time and have the patience to try out as many
distros as they possibly can until they find the one they like the best.

Agree with you here. One nice thing about linux is also that there are certain "flavors" which really lend themselves well to specific applications; Windows has no such thing. Debian for servers? Gentoo for desktops? Great. Go for it. I do feel like the community has come around quite a bit from the previous stance of distro elitism, but I sense some of it at times still.

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If I may ask, what tends to break on you once in awhile? In my
experience, the only issues I've ever had is while upgrading, (and this doesn't happen very often, mind you) PGP keys aren't removed or some
such and you have to install archlinux-keyring manually before
continuing with a normal pacman upgrade.

In the past year I've dealt with a Grub break, a systemd secure boot break, a GPU driver break, and a systemd-homed break (which caused me to abandon it and just revert to traditional user management). There was also a btrfs issue when I started setting up the laptop I'm using now which caused me to abandon btrfs. But I have had a ton of issues...that's not to say I mind it a ton, necessarily, since this is my personal desktop and I expect this kind of thing, but this certainly isn't something I'd wanna be dealing with on any of my servers.

Otherwise, I have nothing against Debian, especially for a server platform. It just doesn't 'tickle my fancy', lol. I think I've had more issues in the past with Ubuntu than anything else, but that was back
when I still used a GUI and apparantly they phased out my video card at the time which took forever to figure out. By the time I did they were just starting to introduce the "legacy" drivers and any time you ran an upgrade (not even a major one) everything went to shit and had to spend hours fixing it. I'm sure it's a lot better now, but it still leaves a sour taste for me. Had I been using any other distro at the time I probably wouldn't have anything against Ubuntu either. ;)

Yeah, I have to use Ubuntu for work and it's ok enough, but I really prefer Ubuntu Server with no gui/x/wayland/etc. Ubuntu Server, IMO, is a slightly more frequently updated version of Debian which has the benefit of using PPAs for some things like dosemu :)

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While I don't fault it, as I enjoy rolling for my main machines, I can't think of any 12 month period where SOMETHING in Arch breaks that needs my intervention.

Same here, nevertheless it is my preferred distro, but not for any server purposes. To each his own, though.

The last thing was the GRUB issue that left the machine needing a GRUB-mkconfig in order to boot... no biggy, arch-chroot in, run the command and move on - but for me, those issues don't jive with a server machine that needs to be up.

Yeah, that was such a pain in the ass. And the thing that really pissed me off was that there was never really any admission of "oops we fucked this up" - it was more of a too-little-too-late message during a pacman -Syu that they started after a bunch of us complained and shared the fix lol.

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On 26 Nov 2022, paulie420 said the following...

The last thing was the GRUB issue that left the machine needing a GRUB-mkconfig in order to boot... no biggy, arch-chroot in, run the command and move on - but for me, those issues don't jive with a server machine that needs to be up.

I never had that issue. Then again, even though it's a rolling release, I tend to not upgrade for a couple months at a time, so maybe I just got lucky and missed that one by the time I upgraded. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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On 27 Nov 2022, boraxman said the following...

The other thing that is good about choosing Debian, is if you run into trouble you've got other Debian users who can help you.

You can say that about any distro though. Obviously if you go with some of the less popular ones or odd variants of distros that have been around a long time it will be a bit more troublesome. However, many of the issues you run into in the variants will have also been addressed in the main distro the variant was based off of, so the help and documentation is still there for the most part.

Regards,
Nick

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On 26 Nov 2022, esc said the following...

Upstream changes make their way into the pacman repos pretty fast, typically. As an example, 16 days ago there was a systemd update which broke secure boot in a number of BIOSes and was first discovered downstream by Arch users, and it took until six days ago to actually fix.

Referring back to my last reply to boraxman, it's a good thing I don't try to upgrade super often then. I never ran into this either, but then again, it's been a few weeks since I've upgraded last. Maybe now is a good time then. :D

Having used Arch for desktop purposes for several years on and off, it's my favorite desktop distro, but I definitely feel like I'm as bleeding edge as anyone can be without manually downloading and installing
packages from github at every approved PR.

Yep, that's basically what I said before except I was coming from the glass half empty side. lol

Agree with you here. One nice thing about linux is also that there are certain "flavors" which really lend themselves well to specific applications; Windows has no such thing. Debian for servers? Gentoo for desktops? Great. Go for it. I do feel like the community has come around quite a bit from the previous stance of distro elitism, but I sense some of it at times still.

Eh, having used Gentoo for quite some time, I classify that one all on it's own in the "if you like breaking your system and trying to fix it, with not much time to do anything else" category. But hey, to each their own and some people love it. :D

Regards,
Nick

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On 26 Nov 2022, esc said the following...

In the past year I've dealt with a Grub break, a systemd secure boot break, a GPU driver break, and a systemd-homed break (which caused me to abandon it and just revert to traditional user management). There was
also a btrfs issue when I started setting up the laptop I'm using now which caused me to abandon btrfs. But I have had a ton of
issues...that's not to say I mind it a ton, necessarily, since this is
my personal desktop and I expect this kind of thing, but this certainly isn't something I'd wanna be dealing with on any of my servers.

Ah, maybe that's why I'm not running into as many issues as some others. Since I'm using Arch for my servers, I'm kind of treating it as such. I don't upgrade weekly or anything like that, no GUI stuff to deal with. It's installed in multiple VMs here on a dedicated machine without much, if any, intervention at all. Definitely nice to know this information, though, which is why I originally asked. I do tend to keep my eye out for any major issues before upgrading also and so far it's been working out for me (knock on wood).

Regards,
Nick

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I never had that issue. Then again, even though it's a rolling release,
I tend to not upgrade for a couple months at a time, so maybe I just got lucky and missed that one by the time I upgraded. ;)

The issue was covered heavily. My laptop had the condition that created the issue; like others than [can] happen w/ Arch.



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