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From: CX2SA@CX2SA.SAL.URY.SOAM
To : SATDIG@WW

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Control Operator Clarification (Jeff Johns)
2. Re: Control Operator Clarification (Glen Zook)
3. Re: Control Operator Clarification (jim@?????.????
4. Re: Control Operator Clarification (k6vug@?????????.????
5. Re: Control Operator Clarification (Mike Jameson)
6. W4A Special Event Station this weekend (Tim N8DEU)
7. Re: W4A Special Event Station this weekend (Robert Bankston)
8. AO-85 turned on 0030z July 18 (Mark L. Hammond)
9. CAS-7B (BP-1B) TLE Update (Alan Kung)
10. Fwd: Grid Activation in South Dakota (Kees van Oosbree)
11. Re: DN46 from July 21-24 (Bob Hammond)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:51:57 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification
Message-ID: <945DE3D3-E236-4333-85B7-DE8B75555E26@?????.???>
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Yes! It?s totally legal. My 7 year old who is studying for her Tech license
has made contacts on FM birds as well as linears such as AO-7. She either
uses my call or her sister?s call and we act as control ops. Get those
kiddos on the air. If you ever want to set up a sked with some YLs here,
just let us know.

Jeff WE4B

On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:47 PM, k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>

wrote:

Greetings,
Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM

sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control

operator handling the PTT ?

on a not-so-busy pass, of course !

Thanks and 73,
Umesh, k6vug

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:07:57 +0000 (UTC)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, "k6vug@?????????.????
<k6vug@?????????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification
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Perfectly legal so long as the other station is in an area administered by
the FCC.? However, if the station is foreign then you need to check the list
of countries with which the United States has 3rd part agreements.
The list of countries with 3rd party agreements can be found at the
following URL.
Also, you have to identify the foreign station, by call sign. This per 47
CFR Part 97 Section 97.115(d)

?97.115???Third party communications.

(d) At the end of an exchange of international third party communications,
the station must also transmit in the station identification procedure the
call sign of the station with which a third party message was exchanged.

Otherwise such operation is perfectly legal.? In fact, the 3rd party can activate the PTT so long as you are present and can stop the transmission if necessary.
Glen, K9STH?
Website: https://k9sth.net

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 01:49:34 PM CDT, k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

Greetings,
Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM
sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.?

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ?
on a not-so-busy pass, of course !


Thanks and 73,
Umesh, k6vug


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "jim@?????.???? <jim@?????.???>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification
Message-ID: <1563390382.578921873@????.?????????.???>
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For the most part, yes. If it's a domestic contact, you are good to go. If it's an international contact, there has to be a Third Party Operating Agreement with that country. There is a list of countries on this page: http://www.arrl.org/third-party-operating-agreements
Note that what countries are or are not on the list may surprise you in some cases. For example: Cuba = yes; Great Briton = no.

Jim Walls
K6CCC



-----Original Message-----
From: "k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:47
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification

Greetings,
Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM
sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.?

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ?
on a not-so-busy pass, of course !


Thanks and 73,
Umesh, k6vug


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:29:10 +0000 (UTC)
From: "k6vug@?????????.???? <k6vug@?????????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification
Message-ID: <1573826382.1722061.1563402550361@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Thank you all very much for getting back with clarifications, it helps a
lot.? This will help share the thrill with the youngsters, as well as lower
the bar for this wonderful experience, they deserve it.?
For the most part, the satellite contacts would be within US and Canada.?
It'll mostly be hand-held or tripod operation out in the local park, so I
was planning on initially handling the antenna and the PTT until they get
used to the fast pace.? With sufficient traction, my dream goal is to
hopefully take it to the schools in our district.?
?
Thanks again.
?
73!
Umesh, k6vug
?
?
On Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:12:19 PM PDT, jim--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

For the most part, yes.? If it's a domestic contact, you are good to go.?
If it's an international contact, there has to be a Third Party Operating Agreement with that country.? There is a list of countries on this page: http://www.arrl.org/third-party-operating-agreements
Note that what countries are or are not on the list may surprise you in some cases.? For example:? Cuba = yes; Great Briton = no.

Jim Walls
K6CCC



-----Original Message-----
From: "k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:47
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification

Greetings,
Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM
sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.?

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ?
on a not-so-busy pass, of course !


Thanks and 73,
Umesh, k6vug


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:14:47 +0100
From: Mike Jameson <mikejamo@?????.???>
To: jim@?????.???
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification
Message-ID: <CAJcjmiSiMOOpOzm-xZia92NzL_cE10MtJoC5vYY=-RxdeC12jg@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

United Kingdom is ok though :)

Regards,

Mike

--
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 20:12 jim--- via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

For the most part, yes. If it's a domestic contact, you are good to go.
If it's an international contact, there has to be a Third Party Operating Agreement with that country. There is a list of countries on this page: http://www.arrl.org/third-party-operating-agreements
Note that what countries are or are not on the list may surprise you in
some cases. For example: Cuba = yes; Great Briton = no.

Jim Walls
K6CCC

-----Original Message-----
From: "k6vug--- via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:47
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Control Operator Clarification

Greetings,
Sometimes I have kids and would-be-hams watching me wide-eyed work the FM sats and I wished I could get some of them on the pass too.

So the question is, is it legal to allow them do it with me as the control operator handling the PTT ?
on a not-so-busy pass, of course !

Thanks and 73,
Umesh, k6vug

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 00:50:54 +0000
From: Tim N8DEU <n8deu@???????.???>
To: 'Amsat' <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] W4A Special Event Station this weekend
Message-ID: <BN6PR02MB219526DBB4D6094D8B3D1586FEC80@?????????????.????????.????.???????.??


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Listen for amateur radio station W4A, a special event station, operating on Amateur Radio Satellites and HF bands this weekend commemorating after 50
years of the landing of the "Eagle" and six hours later man walked on the
moon.

We will be operating inside the park from the US Space and Rocket Center grounds at Huntsville, Alabama. You never know who will be at the microphone
at the satellite station as there will be several dignitaries onsite from
the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs. This is an opportunity that does not happen often.

Additional information can be discovered at:
https://www.qrz.com/lookup/w4a



Tim Cunningham - N8DEU



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:20:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>
To: 'Amsat' <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] W4A Special Event Station this weekend
Message-ID: <2023363664.3587750.1563412822173@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

How exciting.? Great job in putting this together Tim.
Wish I could make it up there to join in all the fun!
73,
Robert Bankston, KE4ALAMSAT-NA VP of User Services
Twitter:? @??????????????????? KE4AL.wordpress.com

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 07:51:38 PM CDT, Tim N8DEU via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

Listen for amateur radio station W4A, a special event station, operating on Amateur Radio Satellites and HF bands this weekend commemorating after 50
years of the landing of the "Eagle" and six hours later man walked on the
moon.

We will be operating inside the park from the US Space and Rocket Center grounds at Huntsville, Alabama. You never know who will be at the microphone
at the satellite station as there will be several dignitaries onsite from
the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs. This is an opportunity that does not happen often.

Additional information can be discovered at:
https://www.qrz.com/lookup/w4a



Tim Cunningham - N8DEU

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 21:25:28 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 turned on 0030z July 18
Message-ID: <CAPRXzyrtNZX1iGw-2jqZZ=ypdVtJGcNJ9461bo8wePPaHg2_xA@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I turned AO-85 back on. Use it while illuminated, while you can. If the satellite is in eclipse, please do not use or kerchunk it!

73,
Mark N8MH
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:12:44 +0800 (CST)
From: "Alan Kung" <camsat@???.???.???>
To: "Alan Kung" <camsat@???.???.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] CAS-7B (BP-1B) TLE Update
Message-ID: <3bf82a32.91290.16c056d9abb.Coremail.camsat@???.???.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GBK

Planned to launch CAS-7B at 05:00:00UTC on July 25, 2019, the launch vehicle Hyperbola-1 will run for 862.0206 seconds and then CAS-7B satellite will be deployed at 05:14:22.0206

CAS-7B(BP-1B)
1 99999U 19206.21831019 -.00000000 00000-0 00000-0 0 00001
2 99999 042.7339 008.2068 0013606 285.8754 218.2911 15.94575754000011

73
Alan, BA1DU


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:04:28 -0500
From: Kees van Oosbree <arrl.kvan@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Grid Activation in South Dakota
Message-ID: <CA+-4fePFFHy=o6KxgAFR13mfUsVxnSQ5KyGHbeJVirn6F-z=XQ@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Kees van Oosbree <arrl.kvan@?????.???>
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Grid Activation in South Dakota
To: KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???>


****************************************************************************** **CHANGE
OF PLANS************************************************************************* ***************************************

I will NOT be in SD for my vacation. Decided to come home from SD after visiting my sister in Medical School. I am going up the North Shore with my parents in MN, July 18-21. Still a lot of rare grids there as well.

Going to be working from 3 different grids:
EN47
EN57
EN58

These grids are tied together right where I'm going to be staying.

Hear for me on the FM satellites.

Thank you for all the contacts from South Dakota.

73 de KE0STO



On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 12:57 PM KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???> wrote:

Sounds good, thanks!

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:57 AM Kees van Oosbree <arrl.kvan@?????.???> wrote:

I bet I would! I am figuring it out right now. Might need to get a new
account , but will definitely get it soon. Thank you!

73 de KE0STO

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 12:32 PM KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???> wrote:

You would make a lot of people happy. One of the grids you will be in
(EN13) is a grid that many have but not confirmed in LOTW due to the OP
that lives there not uploading to LOTW... its a long story ;-)

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:24 AM Kees van Oosbree <arrl.kvan@?????.???>
wrote:

I used to do LOTW, but something happened with my password, so I
completely lost my LOTW account. I might try it again, just to see if I >>>> can pull my LOTW up again.

Actually, I'll try that out now!

73 de KE0STO

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 12:20 PM KI7UNJ Tucker <ki7unj@?????.???>
wrote:

Any chance of LOTW? I See on QRZ you state you don't, but show on the >>>>> LOTW site you have uploaded to LOTW in the past.

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 10:58 AM Kees van Oosbree via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

Awesome, thanks Robert!

I am going to be a little busy on Monday, but will definitely do
Tuesday
passes.
Here are the passes:


*AO-92: Tuesday, July 16*
AOS- 16:42 UTC
TCA- 16:47 UTC Max Elevation: 88 degrees
LOS- 16:53 UTC





*AO-91: Tuesday, July 16*
AOS- 18:07 UTC
TCA- 18:13 UTC Max Elevation: 89 degrees
LOS- 18:18 UTC



*SO-50: Tuesday, July 16*
AOS- 18:15 UTC
TCA- 18:22 UTC Max Elevation: 84 degrees
LOS- 18:29 UTC


These are only *Tuesday* passes.

I'll send out the other passes for this week when I get more
information of
what we are doing in South Dakota.

Thank you all for your support.



73 de KE0STO







On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 9:51 PM Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>
wrote:

Kees,

Thanks for the heads up. I posted your trip to AMSAT's Upcoming >>>>>> Satellite
Operations webpage:
https://www.amsat.org/satellite-info/upcoming-satellite-operations/ >>>>>> and
blasted it out on Twitter. Feel free to update here on BB. I'll >>>>>> make sure
word gets out.

Have fun and safe travels.

73,

Robert Bankston, KE4AL
AMSAT-NA VP of User Services

Twitter: @??????????
Website: KE4AL.wordpress.com


On Friday, July 12, 2019, 08:48:12 PM CDT, Kees van Oosbree via

AMSAT-BB <

amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:


Hello,

I will be activating EN12/EN13 grid line in Vermillion, South

Dakota under

the callsign KE0STO.

The dates will be July 15-17, Monday-Wednesday of next week. I

might go

and activate other grids in SD when I have a chance on my road trip. >>>>>> >
I will only be working the FM satellites.

Thank you!

73 de KE0STO
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 08:06:04 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: "k6vug@?????????.???? <k6vug@?????????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] DN46 from July 21-24
Message-ID: <CAKoB7Oq=383P1qMxdV+C3UhqU2j2VFAE=3phnZVQUQS4_GKQLA@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Thanks, Umesh!

73,
Bob

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:46 AM k6vug@?????????.??? <k6vug@?????????.???> wrote:

For Icom Z1A, the choice would be AO-91 and AO-92,
followed by SO-50 and AO-85 when possible.

GL es 73!
Umesh
k6vug

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 8:17:54 AM PDT, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

No suggestions on satellites?

Bob
W7OTJ

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 3:32 PM Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???> wrote:

I will be in DN46 from July 21-14 and will attempt contacts.

I am restarting in ham satellites (last contact was in 2003 or so from BP64) with the same Arrow antenna and Icom Z1A.

Bear with me as I fiddle and fumble.

What do you all suggest as the best sats to operate?

Bob
W7OTJ
(was WL7CQX)

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