• Clip on QRM Probe

    From G8MNY@21:5/101 to TECH on Sat Jul 6 11:20:25 2019
    R:190706/1412Z @:LW3DBH.1744.BA.ARG.SA #:38841 [MORENO] FBB7.00i $:11511_GB7CIP R:190706/1400Z @:LU1DBQ.#MOR.BA.ARG.SOAM #:20797 [MORON] $:11511_GB7CIP R:190706/1400Z @:HP2BWJ.COL.PAN.CEAM #:47968 [Colon,Panama] FBB7.00e R:190706/1400Z @:LU4ECL.LP.BA.ARG.SOAM #:4630 [La Plata] FBB7.0.8-beta2 R:190706/1353Z @:GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO #:11511 [Caterham Surrey GBR]

    From: G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO
    To : TECH@WW

    By G8MNY (Updated May 13)
    (8 Bit ASCII graphics use code page 437 or 850, Terminal Font)

    Wanting to find which lead on a devices like TV & STB set up, has the most RFI current it, I made a simple current probe from a clip in ferrite choke. It can be used with a Rx or spectrum analyser. And for Tx RF work too, finding if balanced line is balanced, coax line is really RF free etc.

    THE CURRENT PICK UP
    /~~~~\
    QRM cable Hinge / /~~\ \ Locking
    ================= ∙├─┤ ├─┤√ Catch
    :::::-┐screen Rx_________\ \__/ /
    10 ())))_│____ Coax~~~~~~~~\\▒▒▒▒/
    turns└──────────50Ω Coax Heat Glue^ Coil

    The clip on ferrite is about 2cm dia with a single
    0.5Ω 1T
    1A============
    :::::10T
    ())))_____100mA
    │_________50Ω = 0.5W = 5V = 74dBmV = 134dBuV


    WHERE T Mains────≡┘ ≡test points ~~~~lof cur

    See also Tech Bul "Reducing Electronic RF QRM", & "Stopping HF Tx/Rx SMPSU QRM"


    Why don't U send an interesting bul?

    73 de John G8MNY @ GB7CIP

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 (Linux/32)
    * Origin: HAMRADIO telnet lu9dce.dynu.com (21:5/101)
  • From G8MNY@21:5/101 to TECH on Sun Jul 7 17:50:12 2019
    R:190707/2040Z @:EA2RCF.EAVI.ESP.EU #:40849 [Vitoria] $:11626_GB7CIP R:190707/2040Z @:EA5URD.EAMU.ESP.EU #:59269 XFBB7.04h Bid:11626_GB7CIP

    R:190707/2040Z @:ED1ZAC.EAC.ESP.EU #:26850 [C.D.G]{EANET1G.06}11626_GB7CIP R:190707/2037Z @:GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO #:11626 [Caterham Surrey GBR]

    From: G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EURO
    To : TECH@WW

    By G8MNY (Updated May 13)
    (8 Bit ASCII graphics use code page 437 or 850, Terminal Font)

    Wanting to find which lead on a devices like TV & STB set up, has the most RFI current it, I made a simple current probe from a clip in ferrite choke. It can be used with a Rx or spectrum analyser. And for Tx RF work too, finding if balanced line is balanced, coax line is really RF free etc.

    THE CURRENT PICK UP
    /~~~~\
    QRM cable Hinge / /~~\ \ Locking
    ================= ∙├─┤ ├─┤√ Catch
    :::::-┐screen Rx_________\ \__/ /
    10 ())))_│____ Coax~~~~~~~~\\▒▒▒▒/
    turns└──────────50Ω Coax Heat Glue^ Coil

    The clip on ferrite is about 2cm dia with a single locking catch, the catch guard I cut off making it easy to unclip. I removed 1 of the ferrite halves from the hinged plastic casing by levering a plastic protrusion out of the way. Then using some very fine enamelled wire I wound 10 turns on it, made a hole in the case, passed the wire ends through it, & then put back the ferrite against the hidden spring inside the case until locked in place. (depends on make)

    I glued a thin coax to the case & connected the coil, after DC & RF testing, I soldered some aluminium foil (or copper foil if you have no aluminium solder) to the coax outer & heat glue a narrow strip of it through the centre hole shielding the coil 1/2 a turn from the QRM cable. Then I put a layer of thin tape (parcel tape) over this to protect the coil.

    I have seen other design use a cloths peg to house the 2 ferrite cores.

    10 turns was used to give some calibration, & not put on too much wire that the frequency response will be affected. With 50Ω load a 0.5Ω is effectively inserted in QRM line.

    0.5Ω 1T
    1A============
    :::::10T
    ())))_____100mA
    │_________50Ω = 0.5W = 5V = 74dBmV = 134dBuV


    WHERE TO TEST

    The clip probe will show the highest current point along a cable & the worst cable in a set up (where a ferrite choke will be most effective).

    Here is a typical TV set up...

    SCART SCART
    ┌───────────┐ RGB ┌─────────┐ RGB ┌──────────┐ \|/UHF
    │ TV ├≡───────≡┤ D.V.D. ├≡─────≡┤ S.T.B. ├≡─────┘Aerial
    │ DISPLAY ├≡─┐ └───────┬─┘ └─┬──────┬─┘
    └────────┬──┘ │ ┌────────┐ └≡─Mains │UHF DC│ ┌────┐
    Mains────≡┘ └─≡┤ V.C.R. ├≡────────────≡┘ └≡───────≡┤Plug├ Mains
    └──┬─────┘ │PSU │
    Mains────≡┘ ≡test points ~~~~


    The clip probe will show which of these 14 places may the best place for a choke. And you can even check an added choke is having some effect..

    QRM Test
    ==========≡≡≡=≡====
    SOURCE choke│
    └──Rx

    As single clip on choke is not very effective (5dB!). More of them or a few turns on one is much better. You will also soon know if you have an AF "steel tape core" & not an RF ferrite core as it will have little effect at RF!

    SPECTRUM
    This is typical..

    CRT TV SMPSU PC
    │ │║| │ │ │
    │▒ │║║║| │ │ │ │ │
    │▒▒ │║║║║║| │ │ │ │ │ │▒▒▒==.._▌│______▒_ │║║║║║║║|:. │ │ │ │ │
    15kHz 4,4 6 38MHz └╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨┴──── └──┴──┴──┴───┴─
    lines 45kHz 50Hz FM hummy lines Clock lines

    Now as most things have SMPSU & PC architecture in them, so combinations occur.

    Even a USB keyboards show up like this...

    │ ║║║ ║║║║
    │ ║║║║║║║║║║║║║║
    │ ║║║║║║║║║║║║║║║║
    └─╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨╨──
    5 10 15 20 25 MHz

    TIPS
    Some devices may put out a lot of RF current on some leads & not on others!

    Not all these currents lead to radiation that affects ham bands!

    It often depends on the wiring & wire aerials at that location. E.g. a few uA of current into a 1/4 wave long TV aerial lead, may cause havoc, but into a small loop of wires around the TV none at all.

    UHF \│/ 10m
    1/4 WAVE TV │ SMALL
    VERTICAL ANT │ 37uW EQUIPMENT 0pW
    AERIAL │ ERP on O R LOOP ANT ERP on
    │ 40m __ 40m but
    │ _│ │ high
    QRM─≡───┘Z=37Ω QRM─≡──┘ on 6m
    1mA 1mA


    See also Tech Bul "Reducing Electronic RF QRM", & "Stopping HF Tx/Rx SMPSU QRM"


    Why don't U send an interesting bul?

    73 de John G8MNY @ GB7CIP

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 (Linux/32)
    * Origin: HAMRADIO telnet lu9dce.dynu.com (21:5/101)