esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

When your media company goes out of business, good luck having your restricted media still be available, or play.

I have a similar frustration with Apple here. I've purchased a ton over the years through the iTunes store and I'm fearful things will just continue to migrate to streaming services and the concept of purchasing and owning music or movies will basically die.

Quite recently I had interesting conversation with one of my peers at work.
He admired Spotify like if it was created yesterday, because he finally paid for subscription.
So as the ads disappeared he finally started enjoying whe he called 'endless library of music'.
When he believed it's endless and perpertual, he was evangelising the concept of recommendation and
his own personal discoveries of music he'd normally never discover.

I asked him if he remembers any of those recommendations, by albums, songs, authors.. that was more
difficult, he sticked to the genre as the only hook.

I told him that this is a problem as it creates no loyalty to the artist and such discovery is very
shallow at the end. It's nice to get some recommendations this way or another, but returning to the
same artist is what shaped us back in the tape/cd times...

I think showing up or disappearing items from the list is part of the problem. Second part is that common peoples approach to music, film and similar artistry is very shallow.
New generations may not even know who their favourite actor, musician or band is.. they will surely
though fight to evangelize you that Disney+ is better than Netflix or the opposite, this day or
another...

Everything becomes a fly bye if you don't own a copy. Ownership creates appreciation, subscriptions
create meaningless consumptionism and try to hook people up to major brands only in media.

Instead of repeating watching one great movie to remember it, people watch 100th part of Marvel for
the same reason... not knowing the difference between them anymore, over time.

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Re: Re: When everything is di
By: hollowone to esc on Sun Feb 26 2023 02:05 pm

I asked him if he remembers any of those recommendations, by albums, songs, authors.. that was more
difficult, he sticked to the genre as the only hook.

I am not sure it is a problem with modern delivery systems as it is a problem with art benig devaluated in general.

When I was a kid I would hold onto CDs and tapes with fierce devotion because they were scarce. I didn't have money for many. More often than not, stores would not carry the music I wanted to hear. Getting a single album was hard and an achievement in itself. Even Internet didn't make it easy because downloading warez material was sooooo slow you'd rather give up.


Fastforward 10 years. Any kid can download any album from a warez site in less than a minute. He gets to listen to as much music as he wants with no effort. Since no effort was put into getting it, people does not have the same feeling of achievement when they get it. It feels like yet another pile of digital junk to enjoy and forget.

Something similar happens with RPG books. I have RPG books I have collected over the years to which I feel certain attatchment, because it took quite a while of time and money to build the library up. I also have lots of freebies, digital bundles downloaded for free during promotional offers and the like. I feel nothing for these ones despite the fact I have played some of them and they are actually great games.


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Hello hollowone!

** On Sunday 26.02.23 - 14:05, hollowone wrote to esc:

Quite recently I had interesting conversation with one of
my peers at work. He admired Spotify like if it was created
yesterday, because he finally paid for subscription...

I tested Spotify before I joined. I looked up some favourite
LPs from the 70s. When they were available, I was suitably
impressed and pleased.

I asked him if he remembers any of those recommendations,
by albums, songs, authors.. that was more difficult, he
sticked to the genre as the only hook.

Different people listen to music in different ways. I would
imagine that some people just stick to the Spotify pre-canned
playlists and treat them as random-play radio. Some people
don't even care who the artist is as long as the song "sounds
good".

I told him that this is a problem as it creates no loyalty
to the artist and such discovery is very shallow at the
end. It's nice to get some recommendations this way or
another, but returning to the same artist is what shaped us
back in the tape/cd times...

Spotify doesn't offer much to the artist. The last I heard was
1,000 streams equalled $2 to $3. But given the vast exposure
it provides and the large number of subcriptions, Spotify could
do well compared to one lone CD sale.

I think showing up or disappearing items from the list is
part of the problem. Second part is that common peoples
approach to music, film and similar artistry is very
shallow. New generations may not even know who their
favourite actor, musician or band is.. they will surely
though fight to evangelize you that Disney+ is better than
Netflix or the opposite, this day or another...

It's easy for young people to take such streaming services for
granted. They probably think as long as the internet bill is
paid, they'll get the music/film whenever they want.

Everything becomes a fly bye if you don't own a copy.
Ownership creates appreciation, subscriptions create
meaningless consumptionism and try to hook people up to
major brands only in media.

Ownership creates "reminders" for me: oh yeah.. I have that!
Then I am poised to research other material by that artist.

But Spotify is a great resource. [1] I've discovered many NEW
and excellent versions of covers, for example. [2] It's fun to
build a playlist of varying themes, songs, artists, and have
them at the ready.

Perhaps physical media still has a very valid place alongside
the online version. But I don't see young people opting for
high end hi-fi systems to really blow their minds.

Instead of repeating watching one great movie to remember
it, people watch 100th part of Marvel for the same
reason... not knowing the difference between them anymore,
over time.

I don't understand what you mean by 100th part.


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Ogg wrote to hollowone <=-

Perhaps physical media still has a very valid place alongside
the online version. But I don't see young people opting for
high end hi-fi systems to really blow their minds.

Young people are buying turntables, albeit ironically. They seem to be
more into lo-fi than building audiophile systems. It's reminiscent of
the film camera revival of a couple of years ago, and it may fall by the wayside similarly.

My wife grew up with her father's audio room. He built rooms for music
studios and had a room in his house designed for acoustics. Of course,
you had to listen to music in one chair in the middle of the room, but
the music!




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OLDBIEONE (21:4/122) wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

I bought a NetMD by Sony, it was better than the Diamond Rio. Best Buy
tried to promote Windows XP by saying you can buy a Diamond Rio for like 49.99, but they all never came in the store at the time I ordered Windows
XP upgrade for my PC back in 2001.

I think you're right on the NetMD coming out in 2000 or 2001, it was definitely later than the Rio, which I got in '99 as we were preparing
for the good old Y2K and crunching on crusty COBOL systems.

Ah...memories!! :)
There's no doubt the Sony kicked it's a** though!

The big thing I did not like about the format was that, the NetMD discs had issues
like floppies. Some of them did not read well. I was happy to have that NETMD device
when I was traveling 2 hours each way by bus to school back then.

Sadly mini discs are out of prihnt and more expensive.

I ended up getting an ipod 30gb back in 2003 as my graduation present to
yself.


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Re: Re: When everything is di
By: Matthew Munson to Oldbieone on Sat Mar 04 2023 09:28 am

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The big thing I did not like about the format was that, the NetMD discs had issues
like floppies. Some of them did not read well. I was happy to have that NETM device
when I was traveling 2 hours each way by bus to school back then.

The portability and the amount of songs you could throw on one of those wasn't really touched until the iPod

Sadly mini discs are out of prihnt and more expensive.

I looked them up sometime last year on eBay after seeing a Techmoan video on MD and they were going for a pretty penny back then. I seem to recall seeing an album release last year or maybe the year before (in the pandemic, so time sort of runs together) where a band released a limited run of their album on MD. Must have cost a fortune!
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I am not sure it is a problem with modern delivery systems as it is a problem with art benig devaluated in general.

I think you're right and your examples related to general availability (legal/not legal) of various digital media (music, movies, games, books)
are very valid examples of shallowing the value of those.

I find it in myself as well, that's why I've returned to physical media as partial solution to help me handle the burden.

So what I have 1000 of PDFs with rpg books I always wanted to read as having those in a folder makes me unable to choose and read one.

It's easier with movies and audio as they can become background noise and regular fly byes. I find it extremely frustrating that books of various sorts are so broadly available today without that sense of achievement just like you described.

Going back physical and selecting niche medium as storage is somehow helping
to limit availability as a psychological trick or cheat.

That at least helped me personally to start appreciating consumer-focused media more.

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Instead of repeating watching one great movie to remember
it, people watch 100th part of Marvel for the same
reason... not knowing the difference between them anymore,
over time.

I don't understand what you mean by 100th part.

Oh, there has been so many that I stopped reckoning, thus if it's 10 or 100 point is.. more parts come, more they copy the same and create shallow waters for the brand. I'm bored with Marvel to hell.. same with Star Wars

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Hello hollowone!

** On Tuesday 07.03.23 - 05:36, hollowone wrote to Ogg:

I don't understand what you mean by 100th part.

Oh, there has been so many that I stopped reckoning, thus
if it's 10 or 100 point is.. more parts come, more they
copy the same and create shallow waters for the brand.

Ah. Ok.

I'm bored with Marvel to hell.. same with Star Wars

I thought ST - Picard (Season 1, 10 episodes) was pretty good.

Although... I thought that the little on/off switch at the neck
of the androids seemed a bit inconsistent. I mean, when it
came to the point that some "sentient" androids were poised to
trigger a war, no one seemed to consider just turning them
"off".


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Re: When everything is di
By: Ogg to hollowone on Tue Mar 07 2023 07:11 pm

I thought ST - Picard (Season 1, 10 episodes) was pretty good.

Although... I thought that the little on/off switch at the neck
of the androids seemed a bit inconsistent. I mean, when it
came to the point that some "sentient" androids were poised to
trigger a war, no one seemed to consider just turning them
"off".

I'm not sure they were all designed exactly the same way. Those Androids ("synths") in Picard season 1 looked different than Data (they weren't modeled after Dr. Soong), so I figured they could have been designed slightly differently by whoever made them. They might not have had that off switch.

Nightfox

I thought ST - Picard (Season 1, 10 episodes) was pretty good.

I need to give it another try. I dont have Amazon so I need to source it somehow. But I liked the initial episode that kicked it on, at prime time and I recognized it may be good.

It was just on guest access to Amazon and I haven't managed to have my own since.

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I thought ST - Picard (Season 1, 10 episodes) was pretty good.

I need to give it another try. I dont have Amazon so I need to source it somehow. But I liked the initial episode that kicked it on, at prime
time and I recognized it may be good.

The most recent episode features Picard dropping an f-bomb. I was shook. lol

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Re: Re: When everything is di
By: hollowone to Ogg on Fri Mar 10 2023 12:35 pm

I thought ST - Picard (Season 1, 10 episodes) was pretty good.

I need to give it another try. I dont have Amazon so I need to source it somehow. But I liked the initial episode that kicked it on, at prime time and I recognized it may be good.

It was just on guest access to Amazon and I haven't managed to have my own since.

I didn't know Star Trek: Picard was on Amazon Prime.. I thought it was primarily (or only?) available on Paramount Plus (at least in the US).

Nightfox

Re: Re: When everything is di
By: esc to hollowone on Fri Mar 10 2023 08:55 pm

The most recent episode features Picard dropping an f-bomb. I was shook. lol

And the "S word" as well.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: When everything is di
And the "S word" as well.

NO! Not the 'S' word?

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