I've been toying with the idea of building a native hardware solution so
I can run some of my old OS/2 applications, and came across ArcaOS,
which is supposedly an official IBM updated version of OS/2 Warp that works on fairly modest "modern" hardware (6th gen CPU or better).
I've been toying with the idea of building a native hardware solution so I can run some of my old OS/2 applications, and came across ArcaOS, which is supposedly an official IBM updated version of OS/2 Warp that works on fairly modest "modern" hardware (6th gen CPU or better).
Unfortunately, it's not free, and at $129 it's steep for a toy that might not work, so has anyone tried it? Any thoughts?
I've been toying with the idea of building a native hardware
solution so I can run some of my old OS/2 applications, and came
across ArcaOS, which is supposedly an official IBM updated version
I think its a project worth supporting, however I also know its available if yer strong with torrenting or searching the right bbSes.
As much as I feel like ArcaOS is indeed a project worth supporting, for some reason I feel more enthusiasm for HaikuOS (a free open-source re-implementation of BeOS). Even though BeOS never really had
widespread adoption, I had bought a copy of BeOS R4.5 around 1998 or
1999 after I heard it was ported to x86, and I installed it on a
secondary PC. I thought it was a really nice OS - It was fast and responsive, and I think its GUI looked awesome. I think it would be interesting if HaikuOS reached a point where it's ready for daily use
and could run things like Synchronet, Plex Media Server, etc..
I haven't tried it - The main reason is the cost, and I can't say I'd have much use for it other than nostalgia (as it's derived from OS/2). I doubt I'd actually put it to use long-term.
As much as I feel like ArcaOS is indeed a project worth supporting, for some reason I feel more enthusiasm for HaikuOS (a free open-source re-implementation of BeOS). Even though BeOS never really had widespread
As much as I feel like ArcaOS is indeed a project worth supporting,
for some reason I feel more enthusiasm for HaikuOS (a free
I also really like Haiku. I run it on a VM and on some super old ThinkPad hardware. Its a really good choice IMO.
However, I think ArcaOS is most accepted by companies and industries still relying on software that runs their industrial machines - giving them a
I loved OS/2, but I was running mostly DOS apps at the time. I wonder if my tastes have changed since then. My biggest concern would be finding a browser that's updated frequently.
The charm of OS/2 for me was being able to run DOS VDMs and create custom environments. I did so to run a DOS LAN program that didn't support OS/2 natively. That way, I could use a DOS VDM as a gateway between the DOS LAN and my OS/2 desktop. You could do something similar (and more) with a virtual machine in Windows nowadays.
I was surprised by the maturity of a recent Haiku build. Does it run WIndows or DOS binaries?
Unfortunately, it's not free, and at $129 it's steep for a toy that
might not work, so has anyone tried it? Any thoughts?
The one thing I'd call out is that in the current version of ArcaOS,
secure boot is not possible, so keep that in mind when sourcing hardware. secure boot is not possible, so keep that in mind when sourcing hardware.
I've been toying with the idea of building a native hardware solution so
I can run some of my old OS/2 applications, and came across ArcaOS, which is supposedly an official IBM updated version of OS/2 Warp that works on fairly modest "modern" hardware (6th gen CPU or better).
Unfortunately, it's not free, and at $129 it's steep for a toy that might not work, so has anyone tried it? Any thoughts?
esc wrote to Oldbieone <=-
I purchased a license and installed it on a Minisforum mini fanless PC (one of those cheap-o Chinese import things with crappy performance - https://www.minisforum.com/front/product/intel ). Honestly it runs fast and everything appears to work, I don't really have any noticeable
issues.
know what I should do with it now :P
Good point, poindexter. But after slugging away with virtualization in my day job for more than a decade, and constantly running into driver compatability issues when trying to run virtualized gaming platforms, I've shyed away from using VMs at home and now run on native(ish) hardware.
This is good to know, thank you. I wasn't planning on putting it online, I just have a couple of old OS/2 games here, Galactic Civilizations, OS/2
The main server is a Thinkpad with a dim screen and missing keys. It would, however, support a SATA-3 SSD and 32 GB of RAM, so it's a server with a built-in UPS. :)
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The main server is a Thinkpad with a dim screen and missing keys. It would, however, support a SATA-3 SSD and 32 GB of RAM, so it's a server with a built-in UPS. :)
I've heard that people simply replace the CCFL with LED strips
to restore the backlight.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000006253912.html
I had a garage with a folding table set up with old hardware at one point, b I downsized to a house with no garage. All my legacy OSes are running in VMs under a Proxmox server in a little homelab I set up out of "distressed" hardware.
Stardock makes Galactic Civilizations for Windows now.
So the BBS is on a Stinkpad? Pretty cool....
Yes, not directly. The Thinkpad is running Proxmox VE, a virtualization
a dashboard and so on. The BBS is running in a Windows 10 32-bit virtual machine.
What's cool about that is that I can take a snapshot before upgrading the BB If I break something, I can revert to that snapshot and restore the entire system.
I've seen many broken BBS's since I got back into the scene. I think a lot of sysops tend to put all their eggs into one basket, so to speak, and build on bare metal or throw something together on their home desktop with no thought of continuity of operation should something break. You have a good solution here :)
Synchronet is a pretty good package for resiliency. There aren't a lot of dependencies, so you could just copy the c:\sbbs\ directory to an external hard disk every couple of days. If I lost my boot disk or my system, I
could throw together something and copy that folder from external to the
new system. I've had to do that before. :(
I've seen many broken BBS's since I got back into the scene. I think
a lot of sysops tend to put all their eggs into one basket, so to
speak, and build on bare metal or throw something together on their
home desktop with no thought of continuity of operation should
something break. You have a good solution here :) --- SBBSecho
Heard that story way too often (broke, no fall back position). It's one
of the reasons why I love the Lightning ST mod for my Atari Mega ST4.
I've got USB support. I literally stick a card reader with an SD card in
it, into the USB port on the Mega ST4, drag 'n drop my entire C:
partition over to that drive and bam! instant backup. I then take it to
my Mega STe, drop it off there via the internal Ultrasatan drive (SD
cards, 2 slots), then to my Kubuntu Linux laptop, then finally, last (and least), the Win10 box. I do that regularly once a month, or more often if
I do any major changes/updates. That should keep me pretty protected as
far as data loss goes.
I'm thinking I might add a friend or family member for an "off-site"
backup as well. Hey, ya never know when Murphy (and his annoying law!)
might show up, right? :)
Forming COOP plans was my bread and butter for a decade, so planning
for recovery has become ingrained. I used to run a 1/4 rack at home
for streaming years ago, built with failover in mind. Electricity
bills soon made that an expensive overkill, lol!
Now I just use cloud services.
For my personal machines, I take weekly images and save them to
removable solid state media. Except this retro gaming machine I'm
using right now, and I just do a weekly clone to a second internal
HDD.
I'm thinking I might add a friend or family member for an
"off-site"
backup as well. Hey, ya never know when Murphy (and his annoying
law!) might show up, right? :)
LOL!! True, true :P --- SBBSecho 3.20-Win32 * Origin:
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Darklord wrote to Oldbieone <=-
I know it's unreasonable, but for some reason I have an inherent
distrust of the cloud.
DL.. it isn't just you... I have no trust in or use for the cloud...
Except when it was a cloud of smoke back in my old pot-smoking days
of yesteryear.
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DL.. it isn't just you... I have no trust in or use for the cloud...
Except when it was a cloud of smoke back in my old pot-smoking days
of yesteryear.
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Commodore Clifford wrote to Bf2K+ <=-
"The Cloud" is just someone else's data center.
I have a Synology NAS that I bought used a year ago. I don't know how
old it is, save for the fact that the OS is going EOL soon. I could take
all my stuff off of the cloud and run everything on it, but I don't want
to deal with what to do when the hardware fails.
I understand that, but having hardware someone else manages (and back
up) is worth something. This, I say, after running crappy hardware in my house open to the public for 30+ years.
The fire in the OVH datacenter demonstrated that trusting the cloud to keep your data backed up is not necessarily a wise move.
What you do is to have the content duplicated in yet another file server. That s is commonly known as a backup.
Re: Re: ArcaOS 5.0 - the "new" OS/2 Warp. Anyone used? By: Arelor
to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 15 2023 06:26 pm
The fire in the OVH datacenter demonstrated that trusting the
cloud to keep your data backed up is not necessarily a wise move.
If I were to run a BBS on a cloud server, I'm not sure they'd know
how to back it up the way I want anyway. I might want one backup
that just contains the files for the BBS, and perhaps another backup
that contains my home directory contents, and perhaps a backup that
would be an image of the OS drive.
Nightfox --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
Re: Re: ArcaOS 5.0 - the "new" OS/2 Warp. Anyone used?
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 15 2023 06:26 pm
The fire in the OVH datacenter demonstrated that trusting the cloud to keep your data backed up is not necessarily a wise move.
If I were to run a BBS on a cloud server, I'm not sure they'd know how to ba
a backup that would be an image of the OS drive.
Nightfox
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
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Re: Re: ArcaOS 5.0 - the "new" OS/2 Warp. Anyone used?
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 15 2023 06:21 pm
What you do is to have the content duplicated in yet another file serve That s is commonly known as a backup.
What I'm doing now is using a HDD in my desktop to host my media, and using --- SBBSecho 3.20-Win32
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