• Re: Archiving C=64 5.25" Disks

    From paulie420@21:2/150 to Dr. What on Fri Jul 7 15:41:09 2023
    have to figure out how to use my SD2EIC solution to backup 5.25"s fro the 1541 drive to my SDCard... I wanna get all 200 disks backed up.

    You might have to move to a Pi1541 for at least some of those disks, though. The SD2IEC that I have worked great, but I kept running into problems with some stuff. So I moved to a Pi1541 and I've had no
    problems with it on my C64 and Plus/4.

    Ahhhhh - yea, a Pi1541 fully emulates the 1541 right?? Appreciate the heads up that there might be some issues using a SD2IEC - do you remember the process you used w/ an SD2IEC? I would prefer to copy the disks byte-for-byte/file-for-file rather than creating a .d64 (or other) image... either will work for my needs but good things to think about - I hope I don't have to buy new hardware but understand.

    I still keep real drives around. I have a 1541-II set to device 9, on my Plus/4-C64 setup. But for "normal" usage, I always use floppy emulators now.

    Same... I'm attempting to restore my 1541 hardware to a condition where it works perfectly with new 5.25 disks - its spotty without any refurbishing, but that will change shortly.

    I think the only system that I have that is dependent on 5.25" diskettes is my Kaypro "1". But I don't use it very often.

    Dude I was just looking at a Kaypro 2000 early 'laptop' - I haven't ever owned a Kaypro and am intrigued.



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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to paulie420 on Mon Jul 17 20:31:03 2023
    On 07 Jul 2023, paulie420 said the following...

    Ahhhhh - yea, a Pi1541 fully emulates the 1541 right?? Appreciate the heads up that there might be some issues using a SD2IEC - do you
    remember the process you used w/ an SD2IEC? I would prefer to copy the disks byte-for-byte/file-for-file rather than creating a .d64 (or other) image... either will work for my needs but good things to think about -
    I hope I don't have to buy new hardware but understand.


    If you are copying non copy protected disks file by file you can use CMD Fastcopy+ to do that to a SDIEC. Your best bet though is a Zoomfloppy with use of a real 1541 to copy either file by file OR to .d64 images. I know you don't want to use .d64 images but they will be your best bet when it comes to copy protected disks. Also you can mount .d64 images on your sdiec. I use a hardware card called The Greaseweazle, I built a Linux machine which has both a 3.5 and 5.25 floppy on it, I can copy just about any disk ever created with it. It is being done via tracks and sectors so copy protection isn't too bad. It creates Flux images or in my case .d64, .adf, and .img images (C64,Amiga,PC) the only issue is flippy modified disks, unless you use a modified 5.25 floppy drive it will not read the 2nd side of the disk. For that I use a Zoomfloppy and a real 1541.

    I know you said no new hardware, and no .d64 images, but the reason I mention this is because you can manipulate these images very easily with a program called DirMaster on the PC Side, plus you can copy ALL of the .d64 images to a SDIEC card for safe keeping. Then if you want to play with one of the disks just mount it from the SDIEC card and your SDIEC turns into a 1541.. I just downloaded a .iso from archive.org which has just about every C64 game ever written. I copied the contents to a USB Stick and attached it to my Ultimate 64 and now anytime I want to play a game from it I just mount it and go.

    When I go on vacation this year I intend to take a few days and archive my C64 library (approximately 3-400 disks) into .d64's and put them on a SD card..

    Sorry for babbling...

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Bucko on Tue Jul 18 16:07:20 2023
    If you are copying non copy protected disks file by file you can use CMD Fastcopy+ to do that to a SDIEC. Your best bet though is a Zoomfloppy
    with use of a real 1541 to copy either file by file OR to .d64 images. I know you don't want to use .d64 images but they will be your best bet
    when it comes to copy protected disks. Also you can mount .d64 images on your sdiec. I use a hardware card called The Greaseweazle, I built a
    Linux machine which has both a 3.5 and 5.25 floppy on it, I can copy
    just about any disk ever created with it. It is being done via tracks
    and sectors so copy protection isn't too bad. It creates Flux images or
    in my case .d64, .adf, and .img images (C64,Amiga,PC) the only issue is flippy modified disks, unless you use a modified 5.25 floppy drive it
    will not read the 2nd side of the disk. For that I use a Zoomfloppy and
    a real 1541.

    I guess I'd like to do BOTH .d64 and file/file; hey, does the Greaseweasel support other than Amiga drives? I'm impressed by it for copying Amiga disks - but if it supports C= that would be an awesome thing. Your setup sounds perfect... maybe I'll just mail you some 250 disks?? :P

    The Zoomfloppy looks like how I'll go - but I'll try your suggestions for copying to .d64s... thanks Bucko!



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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to paulie420 on Wed Jul 19 18:02:45 2023

    On 18 Jul 2023, paulie420 said the following...


    I guess I'd like to do BOTH .d64 and file/file; hey, does the
    Greaseweasel support other than Amiga drives? I'm impressed by it for copying Amiga disks - but if it supports C= that would be an awesome thing. Your setup sounds perfect... maybe I'll just mail you some 250 disks?? :P

    The Zoomfloppy looks like how I'll go - but I'll try your suggestions for copying to .d64s... thanks Bucko!


    The Greaseweazle copies ANY disk, no matter the computer.. It makes Flux Images or SCP images or in the case of Amiga and C64 .adf and .d64.. THe zoomfloppy works great but you need a real 1541 to use for the disks.. That is the tough part if you have old ones like me,m I already lost one of my 2 because I left it on overnight after being off for 30plus years.. Just a bad chip but I haven't gotten around to figuring out which...

    Let me know if you need any help...

    AL

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Bucko on Wed Jul 19 18:50:22 2023
    The Greaseweazle copies ANY disk, no matter the computer.. It makes Flux Images or SCP images or in the case of Amiga and C64 .adf and .d64.. THe zoomfloppy works great but you need a real 1541 to use for the disks.. That is the tough part if you have old ones like me,m I already lost one of my 2 because I left it on overnight after being off for 30plus
    years.. Just a bad chip but I haven't gotten around to figuring out which...

    Awesome; so this is the route I need to go, then... just grab a greaseweasel and have at it. :P Sweet - I thought it was an Amiga-only affair.

    Then just to source a 5.25" drive solution for using it with.



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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to paulie420 on Thu Jul 20 17:53:34 2023
    On 19 Jul 2023, paulie420 said the following...


    Awesome; so this is the route I need to go, then... just grab a greaseweasel and have at it. :P Sweet - I thought it was an Amiga-only affair.

    Then just to source a 5.25" drive solution for using it with.


    Honestly it is the cheapest way to go, it will image any computers disks.. I ended up picking up 2 5.25 floppies for $90 because I didn't want to spend more then $50 for 1, so I will eventually toss one on eBay to sell or Craigslist.. I am waiting because I am afraid when I start doing my 200+ disks the drive will go south..

    Al

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Bucko on Thu Jul 20 20:43:12 2023
    [The GreaseWeasel for copying retro computer disks on modern hardware]
    Honestly it is the cheapest way to go, it will image any computers
    disks.. I ended up picking up 2 5.25 floppies for $90 because I didn't want to spend more then $50 for 1, so I will eventually toss one on eBay to sell or Craigslist.. I am waiting because I am afraid when I start doing my 200+ disks the drive will go south..

    Nice.. I'm gonna grab one.

    Alright, alright - since Bucko always seems to know... I got a question for ya. I recently swapped a disk drive for a gotek - and all was good in the world. Until I found an archive that ISN'T in .IMG format... its just the actual DOS files; in a /subdir... do you know how I can *create* an .IMG from some /subdir?

    I tried;
    mksquashfs subdir/ image.img

    But that didn't seem to w0rk... I used to just copy those files to a disk, but can't w/ a Gotek. Hmmmm.



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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to paulie420 on Fri Jul 21 18:11:06 2023
    On 20 Jul 2023, paulie420 said the following...

    Alright, alright - since Bucko always seems to know... I got a question for ya. I recently swapped a disk drive for a gotek - and all was good
    in the world. Until I found an archive that ISN'T in .IMG format... its just the actual DOS files; in a /subdir... do you know how I can
    *create* an .IMG from some /subdir?

    I tried;
    mksquashfs subdir/ image.img

    But that didn't seem to w0rk... I used to just copy those files to a
    disk, but can't w/ a Gotek. Hmmmm.


    That's weird, I responded and it didn't save.. So here goes again!

    You can create a .img file using a program called imgburn (google it to download it) that will create .img files from directories. I used it back in the day when I was creating .img files of downloaded CD's, which I wanted to create disks from. It worked pretty well.. Not sure how it will work with the Gotek though. If it doesn't like it try copying the files to a subdirectory on the PC and create from there..

    Sorry for being vague..

    AL

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Bucko on Fri Jul 21 21:09:59 2023
    That's weird, I responded and it didn't save.. So here goes again!

    You can create a .img file using a program called imgburn (google it to download it) that will create .img files from directories. I used it
    back in the day when I was creating .img files of downloaded CD's, which
    I wanted to create disks from. It worked pretty well.. Not sure how it will work with the Gotek though. If it doesn't like it try copying the files to a subdirectory on the PC and create from there..

    Sorry for being vague..

    Nah, yer awesome... mL sent me a reply, too, and heres how I've been doing it;

    $ dd if=/dev/zero of=floppy.img bs=1440k count=1
    $ mkfs.msdos -F 12 floppy.img
    $ mkdir disk
    $ sudo mount -o loop floppy.img disk/

    [Copy 1.44 worth of files to /disk...]

    $ sudo umount disk/

    However, in this particular instance it might be nice using some GUI proggie - so thanks for the suggestion. I'll hunt for IMGBURN or other software that might help...

    I really wish the Goteks allowed you to mount larger .IMG or .ISO's and boot as CD-Rom - that would be killer.



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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to paulie420 on Sat Jul 22 07:54:25 2023
    On 21 Jul 2023, paulie420 said the following...

    Nah, yer awesome... mL sent me a reply, too, and heres how I've been
    doing it;

    $ dd if=/dev/zero of=floppy.img bs=1440k count=1
    $ mkfs.msdos -F 12 floppy.img
    $ mkdir disk
    $ sudo mount -o loop floppy.img disk/

    [Copy 1.44 worth of files to /disk...]

    $ sudo umount disk/

    However, in this particular instance it might be nice using some GUI proggie - so thanks for the suggestion. I'll hunt for IMGBURN or other software that might help...

    I really wish the Goteks allowed you to mount larger .IMG or .ISO's and boot as CD-Rom - that would be killer.


    Ah!! I forgot you are on Linux, the program I mentioned is a Windows program.. I am sure there is something that can be used.. I will keep my eyes open...

    AL

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  • From Nightfox to paulie420 on Tue Jul 25 18:49:15 2023
    Re: Re: Archiving C=64 5.25" Disks
    By: paulie420 to Dr. What on Fri Jul 07 2023 03:41 pm

    Dude I was just looking at a Kaypro 2000 early 'laptop' - I haven't ever owned a Kaypro and am intrigued.

    Around 1990-1991, I was using a Kaypro laptop that was borrowed.. It had a monochrome screen and I believe a 286 processor, and I'm not sure how much RAM. I remember it had MS-DOS 5.0 on it, and I remember playing some games on it (Microsoft's gorilla.bas, for instance).

    Nightfox
  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Bucko on Tue Aug 22 18:58:22 2023
    On 22 Jul 23 07:54:25 Bucko wrote...

    ... The reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where the bad
    girls live

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Not to mention, he has his three Ho's!

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