• barbed wire telephony

    From Oli@21:3/102 to All on Fri Feb 18 09:06:38 2022
    An article about DIY rural telephone system, partially using barbed wire as cable. I wonder if there ever was a BBS than ran over barbed wire ;)

    "Before Ma Bell came to town, and long before DSL, it was barbed wire, of all things, that brought rural communities together. A Sears telephone hooked up to barbed wire - miles of which were already conveniently strung along fences - connected far-flung ranches in the recently settled American west. Thus an ingenious and unregulated telephone system sprung up a hundred years ago.

    More than just physical wire differentiated these rural telephone systems and their more formal urban counterparts. Without switchboards, without individual lines, and without telephone fees, the barbed wire telephone system became its own social network. [...]"

    Full article from 2014: https://gizmodo.com/barbed-wire-fences-were-an-early-diy-telephone-network-1493157700

    https://www.farmcollector.com/Farm-life/IT-ALL-TREW https://www.inc.com/magazine/19970615/1416.html

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Oli on Fri Feb 18 15:29:46 2022
    Oli wrote to All <=-

    More than just physical wire differentiated these rural telephone
    systems and their more formal urban counterparts. Without switchboards, without individual lines, and without telephone fees, the barbed wire telephone system became its own social network. [...]"

    Full article from 2014: https://gizmodo.com/barbed-wire-fences-were-an-early-diy-telephone-netwo rk-1493157700

    That is pretty awesome, and I am surprised I never heard of it before.
    People can be very creative when they need to be. :)


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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to Oli on Fri Feb 18 18:26:28 2022
    On 18 Feb 2022, Oli said the following...

    An article about DIY rural telephone system, partially using barbed wire as cable. I wonder if there ever was a BBS than ran over barbed wire ;)

    Whoa, that's cool. And I would guess that whenever someone was ringing someone else, a side effect would be that the barbed-wire fence became an electric barbed=wire fence.

    Jeff.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Jeff on Fri Feb 18 21:07:48 2022
    An article about DIY rural telephone system, partially using barbed w as cable. I wonder if there ever was a BBS than ran over barbed wire

    Whoa, that's cool. And I would guess that whenever someone was ringing someone else, a side effect would be that the barbed-wire fence became
    an electric barbed=wire fence.

    Hahaha! That would be funny as hell! "Hello?" BZZZZZT! "$#&@!!!"

    Unfortunately, I don't think it's realistic. The amount of energy wouldn't likely be high enough to be palpable.

    Also, how's that $10 Pi-based BBS coming along, Jeffie? (^_^)/

    McDoob
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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to McDoob on Fri Feb 18 22:14:04 2022
    On 18 Feb 2022, McDoob said the following...

    An article about DIY rural telephone system, partially using bar as cable. I wonder if there ever was a BBS than ran over barbed

    Whoa, that's cool. And I would guess that whenever someone was ringin someone else, a side effect would be that the barbed-wire fence becam an electric barbed=wire fence.

    Hahaha! That would be funny as hell! "Hello?" BZZZZZT! "$#&@!!!"

    Unfortunately, I don't think it's realistic. The amount of energy
    wouldn't likely be high enough to be palpable.

    Also, how's that $10 Pi-based BBS coming along, Jeffie? (^_^)/

    Excellent, thanks for asking! It's going so well that I actually had a Pi
    left over!

    Jeff.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Jeff on Fri Feb 18 23:35:02 2022
    Also, how's that $10 Pi-based BBS coming along, Jeffie? (^_^)/

    Excellent, thanks for asking! It's going so well that I actually had a Pi left over!

    Really? You built a Pi-based BBS for $10, and managed to somehow have a
    second Pi left over? I'm afraid the math doesn't add up on that one...unless you either didn't stay in-budget, or didn't actually use a Pi. It's okay, nobody's perfect.

    McDoob
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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to McDoob on Fri Feb 18 23:38:54 2022
    On 18 Feb 2022, McDoob said the following...
    Also, how's that $10 Pi-based BBS coming along, Jeffie? (^_^)/

    Excellent, thanks for asking! It's going so well that I actually had left over!

    Really? You built a Pi-based BBS for $10, and managed to somehow have a second Pi left over? I'm afraid the math doesn't add up on that one...unless you either didn't stay in-budget, or didn't actually use a Pi. It's okay, nobody's perfect.

    Your nonsense means nothing here, I;m afraid.

    Jeff.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Jeff on Sat Feb 19 10:49:56 2022
    Also, how's that $10 Pi-based BBS coming along, Jeffie? (^_

    Excellent, thanks for asking! It's going so well that I actually left over!

    Really? You built a Pi-based BBS for $10, and managed to somehow have second Pi left over? I'm afraid the math doesn't add up on that one...unless you either didn't stay in-budget, or didn't actually use Pi. It's okay, nobody's perfect.

    Your nonsense means nothing here, I;m afraid.

    Whatever do you mean? The only nonsense is saying that one built a $10
    Pi-based BBS, and then had a Pi left over.

    McDoob
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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to McDoob on Sat Feb 19 10:12:50 2022
    On 19 Feb 2022, McDoob said the following...
    Really? You built a Pi-based BBS for $10, and managed to somehow second Pi left over? I'm afraid the math doesn't add up on that one...unless you either didn't stay in-budget, or didn't actuall Pi. It's okay, nobody's perfect.

    Your nonsense means nothing here, I;m afraid.

    Whatever do you mean? The only nonsense is saying that one built a $10 Pi-based BBS, and then had a Pi left over.

    Plans change. It turns out that a Pi isn't even needed to deploy a sub-$10
    BBS. I went into some detail about how to do it in another echo, on another net, as I'm sure you're aware.

    Jeff.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Jeff on Sat Feb 19 08:30:36 2022
    Jeff wrote to McDoob <=-

    On 18 Feb 2022, McDoob said the following...
    Also, how's that $10 Pi-based BBS coming along, Jeffie? (^_^)/

    Excellent, thanks for asking! It's going so well that I actually had left over!

    Really? You built a Pi-based BBS for $10, and managed to somehow have a second Pi left over? I'm afraid the math doesn't add up on that one...unless you either didn't stay in-budget, or didn't actually use a Pi. It's okay, nobody's perfect.

    Your nonsense means nothing here, I;m afraid.

    I am able to follow it, just by what you have quoted. For some reason, his messages on the subject have not arrived. <shrugs>


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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Blue White on Sat Feb 19 11:26:52 2022
    I am able to follow it, just by what you have quoted. For some reason, his messages on the subject have not arrived. <shrugs>

    This conversation has been going on for the past three or four days now, but
    on Fidonet. When Jeffie lost that debate, he came here. I'm just trying to
    keep him honest. (o_-)

    McDoob
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  • From Mewcenary@21:1/189 to Jeff on Sat Feb 19 16:40:48 2022
    Re: Re: barbed wire telephony
    By: Jeff to McDoob on Sat Feb 19 2022 10:12 am

    Your nonsense means nothing here, I;m afraid.

    Whatever do you mean? The only nonsense is saying that one built a $10
    Pi-based BBS, and then had a Pi left over.

    Plans change. It turns out that a Pi isn't even needed to deploy a sub-$10 BBS. I went into some detail about how to do it in another echo, on another
    net, as I'm sure you're aware.

    Please can we not have this nonsense polluting this Echo as well?
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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to Blue White on Sat Feb 19 10:59:32 2022
    On 19 Feb 2022, Blue White said the following...
    On 18 Feb 2022, McDoob said the following...
    Also, how's that $10 Pi-based BBS coming along, Jeffie? (^_

    Excellent, thanks for asking! It's going so well that I actually left over!

    Really? You built a Pi-based BBS for $10, and managed to somehow have second Pi left over? I'm afraid the math doesn't add up on that one...unless you either didn't stay in-budget, or didn't actually use Pi. It's okay, nobody's perfect.

    Your nonsense means nothing here, I;m afraid.

    I am able to follow it, just by what you have quoted. For some reason, his messages on the subject have not arrived. <shrugs>

    "McDoob" is attempting to harass me by bringing another discussion, from another echo, on another net, here.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to McDoob on Sat Feb 19 11:00:30 2022
    On 19 Feb 2022, McDoob said the following...
    I am able to follow it, just by what you have quoted. For some reaso his messages on the subject have not arrived. <shrugs>

    This conversation has been going on for the past three or four days now, but on Fidonet. When Jeffie lost that debate, he came here. I'm just trying to keep him honest. (o_-)

    Pretty much what I said in my previous post.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to Mewcenary on Sat Feb 19 11:01:36 2022
    On 19 Feb 2022, Mewcenary said the following...
    Plans change. It turns out that a Pi isn't even needed to deploy a su BBS. I went into some detail about how to do it in another echo, on another
    net, as I'm sure you're aware.

    Please can we not have this nonsense polluting this Echo as well?

    I would very much like that. I'm not the one who brought it here, and I certainly will not be continuing it here.

    Jeff.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Jeff on Sat Feb 19 13:08:04 2022
    "McDoob" is attempting to harass me by bringing another discussion, from another echo, on another net, here.

    Continuing a conversation is 'harassment'? (o_O)

    As requested by one of the other fine people in this net, I shall not pollute the waters with our disagreement any longer.

    McDoob
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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to McDoob on Sat Feb 19 11:16:26 2022
    McDoob wrote (2022-02-18):

    An article about DIY rural telephone system, partially using
    barbed w as cable. I wonder if there ever was a BBS than ran
    over barbed wire

    Whoa, that's cool. And I would guess that whenever someone was
    ringing someone else, a side effect would be that the barbed-wire
    fence became an electric barbed=wire fence.

    Hahaha! That would be funny as hell! "Hello?" BZZZZZT! "$#&@!!!"

    Unfortunately, I don't think it's realistic. The amount of energy wouldn't likely be high enough to be palpable.

    Are you sure?

    "A ring generator or ringing voltage generator is a device which outputs 20 cycle sinusoidal AC at up to 110 volts peak to power bells or annunciators in one or more telephone extensions." (from Wikipedia)

    It won't hurt badly, but it's not nothing. Also we don't know what device they used for ringing, but it needed enough power to ring all the phones.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to Oli on Sat Feb 19 14:10:48 2022
    Unfortunately, I don't think it's realistic. The amount of energy woul likely be high enough to be palpable.

    Are you sure?

    "A ring generator or ringing voltage generator is a device which outputs 20 cycle sinusoidal AC at up to 110 volts peak to power bells or annunciators in one or more telephone extensions." (from Wikipedia)

    No, I wasn't sure. That's why I said "I don't think", rather than "I know". Thanks for correcting my mistake.

    McDoob
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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to Oli on Sat Feb 19 13:17:32 2022
    On 19 Feb 2022, Oli said the following...
    "A ring generator or ringing voltage generator is a device which outputs 20 cycle sinusoidal AC at up to 110 volts peak to power bells or annunciators in one or more telephone extensions." (from Wikipedia)

    It won't hurt badly, but it's not nothing. Also we don't know what
    device they used for ringing, but it needed enough power to ring all the phones.

    When I was young and telephoning BBSs was a thing, our dogs kept chewing up
    the telephone lines under the house, rendering my extension inoperable. I
    have no idea what the dogs' fascination with the phone line was, but to get
    it working, I'd have to crawl under the house and patch or replace what
    they'd chewed. I even left the old wire down there so maybe they'd chew on
    that instead (no such luck). During one of my repairs, we had a call come in and I can assure you it's not nothing, especially if it's unexpected.

    Jeff.

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  • From tenser@21:1/101 to McDoob on Mon Feb 21 14:39:14 2022
    On 18 Feb 2022 at 09:07p, McDoob pondered and said...

    Unfortunately, I don't think it's realistic. The amount of energy
    wouldn't likely be high enough to be palpable.

    Do a search for, "the phone only rings when the dog barks."

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to tenser on Sun Feb 20 21:39:12 2022
    Unfortunately, I don't think it's realistic. The amount of energy wouldn't likely be high enough to be palpable.

    Do a search for, "the phone only rings when the dog barks."

    Hahaha! (^_^)

    McDoob
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  • From phigan@21:4/137 to McDoob on Tue Feb 22 16:42:08 2022
    I had this crazy notion...

    I'm running a BBS... on a computer!

    *waits for minds to be blown*

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  • From Nightfox to phigan on Tue Mar 1 16:17:12 2022
    Re: Re: dood it's a BBS
    By: phigan to McDoob on Tue Feb 22 2022 04:42 pm

    I had this crazy notion...

    I'm running a BBS... on a computer!

    *waits for minds to be blown*

    As opposed to... what? What else would you run a BBS on?
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to phigan on Wed Mar 2 06:42:00 2022
    phigan wrote to McDoob <=-

    I'm running a BBS... on a computer!

    We were all REAL SYSOPS when I started out. My first BBS ran on an abacus I had mounted on the wall in my trophy room.


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Mar 3 20:17:49 2022
    BY: poindexter FORTRAN(21:4/122)


    We were all REAL SYSOPS when I started out. My first BBS ran on an
    abacus I
    had mounted on the wall in my trophy room.
    I ran mine on a 386/33 in 1996.


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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Nightfox on Fri Mar 4 15:19:10 2022
    Nightfox wrote (2022-03-01):

    I had this crazy notion...

    I'm running a BBS... on a computer!

    *waits for minds to be blown*

    As opposed to... what? What else would you run a BBS on?

    cork

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  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to phigan on Sat Mar 12 12:09:45 2022
    What's a BBS?

    <ROFLMAO>
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Sun Apr 17 21:04:00 2022
    As opposed to... what? What else would you run a BBS on?

    MAgnetic letters on the fridge?

    Spec


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  • From hyjinx@21:1/126 to Oli on Fri Jun 3 19:51:18 2022
    An article about DIY rural telephone system, partially using barbed wire a cable. I wonder if there ever was a BBS than ran over barbed wire ;)

    "Before Ma Bell came to town, and long before DSL, it was barbed wire, of things, that brought rural communities together. A Sears telephone hooked barbed wire - miles of which were already conveniently strung along fences connected far-flung ranches in the recently settled American west. Thus an ingenious and unregulated telephone system sprung up a hundred years ago.


    I mean, that's awesome and all, but if the phone system in USA is anything
    like the UK phone system, then standard volage is +50volts and ringer is
    100V, so you wouldn't want to be touching it when a call was being
    established! But yes, great ingenuity is often spurned out of necessity. It
    was for this very reason that I used to use a 'cantenna' for my early
    internet access in Edinburgh. I set up a dipole antenna with a pringles can
    and got reasonably good (say 128k in 1999/2000) bandwidth, stealing it
    courtesy of some rebels at Edinburgh University. This was in the days that
    even achieving 56K V90 was pretty much impossible in most exchanges in the area.

    Cheers,
    Al


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hyjinx on Fri Jun 3 07:11:00 2022
    hyjinx wrote to Oli <=-

    I mean, that's awesome and all, but if the phone system in USA is
    anything like the UK phone system, then standard volage is +50volts and ringer is 100V, so you wouldn't want to be touching it when a call was being established!

    Can confirm - I was a telecom manager in a former life, and have stripped silver satin cable that had run under partition walls I thought was
    unplugged from the jack.


    But yes, great ingenuity is often spurned out of
    necessity. It was for this very reason that I used to use a 'cantenna'
    for my early internet access in Edinburgh. I set up a dipole antenna
    with a pringles can and got reasonably good (say 128k in 1999/2000) bandwidth, stealing it courtesy of some rebels at Edinburgh University. This was in the days that even achieving 56K V90 was pretty much impossible in most exchanges in the area.

    Back in the day, though, the web was text-only, mail was plain-text, and you could do a lot on 56K.

    My first internet connection for 75 people (maybe 25-30 were really on the net, the rest using POP3/SMTP email) was a 56k leased line.

    Later, I ran into problems with getting a T1 into a building for a startup company with 8 people; I nailed up a 56K dial-up line, set up a web proxy,
    and they got by with it for a week and a half.

    Although I can't imagine going back to my first home ADSL line, 384K/128K,
    or 112k ISDN. :)







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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to hyjinx on Sat Jun 4 19:12:00 2022
    for my early internet access in Edinburgh. I set up a dipole antenna
    with a pringles can and got reasonably good (say 128k in 1999/2000) bandwidth, stealing it courtesy of some rebels at Edinburgh
    University. This was in the days that even achieving 56K V90 was

    Strickly speeking, the ol' pringles can be a waveguide antenna less I be
    sadly 'staken. Do you guys have different pringles containers to us? Ours
    are just cardboard tubes with a metal cap on one end, and lined with metallic ink liner... nothing much to guide any wayward waves in... I messed around
    with cans for a bit, and then gave it away in favour of kitchen equipment,
    like the collander... got much better results.

    We had a wireless group here.. but the problem tended to be geographical.. points were a long way apart, and you had to be reallly lucky to get line of sight on anything.

    Spec


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  • From hyjinx@21:1/126 to Spectre on Sun Jun 5 15:47:11 2022
    Strickly speeking, the ol' pringles can be a waveguide antenna less I be sadly 'staken. Do you guys have different pringles containers to us? Ours are just cardboard tubes with a metal cap on one end, and lined
    with metallic ink liner... nothing much to guide any wayward waves in...
    I messed around with cans for a bit, and then gave it away in favour of kitchen equipment, like the collander... got much better results.


    Yep, it was the same in the UK, at least back then. I didn't use it for very long, as I moved house, but I probably got 3 months use out of two of them.
    The first one was destroyed by shitty weather. They weren't exactly long term solutions! The fact that they worked at all was the real boon. The next node
    to me was very close at the time (I think 120 metres line of sight), so the signal to noise ratio was still within acceptable limits.

    Cheers,
    Al


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to hyjinx on Tue Jun 7 17:11:54 2022
    I mean, that's awesome and all, but if the phone system in USA is
    anything like the UK phone system, then standard volage is +50volts and ringer is 100V, so you wouldn't want to be touching it when a call was being established!

    Blah, we prolly suck there too - electric kettles are slow and suck @ 110V.
    :P



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  • From hyjinx@21:1/126 to paulie420 on Fri Jun 10 18:18:30 2022
    On 07 Jun 2022, paulie420 said the following...

    I mean, that's awesome and all, but if the phone system in USA is anything like the UK phone system, then standard volage is +50volts a ringer is 100V, so you wouldn't want to be touching it when a call wa being established!

    Blah, we prolly suck there too - electric kettles are slow and suck @ 110V. :P



    Oh, is *that* why most of you 'mericans don't know what a Kettle is?!
    Seriously I watched a YT video the other day where this guy asked random Americans what a kettle was and they all had no idea. I just find it
    completely bizarre!

    240VAC Zaps for the win. Who needs limbs ;)

    Cheers,
    Al


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to hyjinx on Fri Jun 10 18:11:00 2022
    Oh, is *that* why most of you 'mericans don't know what a Kettle is?!

    Where I come from.. a kettle is something that you fill with water, and bang
    on the stove, or another heat source to boil and 95% of the time has a
    whistle on it so you know its boiled.

    The leccy thing on the other hand is usually a Jug... with all the usual
    leccy things going on, turns itself off.. in the days of my youth there was
    the odd electric kettle around... The last one I saw was my grandmothers... looked like a traditional kettle, with a whistle no less... I don't think it actually turned itself off either, but... its got to be the better part 45 years or more since I saw it.

    Spec


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  • From k9zw@21:1/224 to hyjinx on Fri Jun 10 07:12:17 2022
    On 10 Jun 2022, hyjinx said the following...

    On 07 Jun 2022, paulie420 said the following...

    I mean, that's awesome and all, but if the phone system in USA i anything like the UK phone system, then standard volage is +50vo ringer is 100V, so you wouldn't want to be touching it when a ca being established!

    Blah, we prolly suck there too - electric kettles are slow and suck @ 110V. :P



    Oh, is *that* why most of you 'mericans don't know what a Kettle is?!

    You got it. Americanlish and UKlish are really close, but have many basic differences.

    Entire books offering advice so hopefully Americans at a meeting don't tell their UKlish counterparts something rude, like "get motivated, or I will start riding you harder than your have have been before." The American will think they have said nothing sexual where the UKlish will.

    The tea drinking fixation is not so universal for the American either. When our British house was restored we included in our budget, mostly for grins, a line item for Builder's Tea. When I did building in Germany by contract there was daily rations of beer included. Stateside the first on a buildsite might start the coffee, and especially end of week a case of beer might just appear.

    So no Americans don't quickly identify kettle as anything more than a generic hit cooking pot. There are good 110v ones for those who do (I like Fellow) and BTW the line voltage hasn't been 110vac since around WWII, as it is typically a nominal 117v or 120v by standards. It was raised enough that it can mess with some old tube (valve for the UKlish) radios.

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  • From McDoob@21:4/135 to hyjinx on Fri Jun 10 10:43:34 2022
    Oh, is *that* why most of you 'mericans don't know what a Kettle is?! Seriously I watched a YT video the other day where this guy asked random Americans what a kettle was and they all had no idea. I just find it completely bizarre!

    I saw a similar (maybe the same) video recently. But one must remember that coffee is the dominant hot drink in North America, not tea. Almost everyone here has a coffee maker, but not a tea kettle.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to k9zw on Fri Jun 10 08:10:00 2022
    k9zw wrote to hyjinx <=-

    When our British house was restored we included in our budget, mostly
    for grins, a line item for Builder's Tea

    The show "Wheeler Dealers" (a couple of blokes buy a cheap used car, one
    buys the parts, the other repairs them, then they sell the car for a
    profit) did an accounting of the show. They showed the series as breaking even, but there was a line item for $23,657 worth of tea that seemed a bit made up.

    Our US builders brought their own variety of energy drinks (yuck) during a recent kitchen remodel, but we do have an Irish friend. As soon as I hear
    her car pull up, I'll take two of my largest mugs, drop in a bag of PG Tips
    in each and put the kettle on. I know better than to ask if she'd like a
    cup.

    (my wife is English, so I don't have to ask her either)





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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to paulie420 on Sat Jun 11 09:38:22 2022
    On 07 Jun 2022, paulie420 said the following...

    I mean, that's awesome and all, but if the phone system in USA is anything like the UK phone system, then standard volage is +50volts a ringer is 100V, so you wouldn't want to be touching it when a call wa being established!

    Shocking!

    Blah, we prolly suck there too - electric kettles are slow and suck @ 110V. :P

    I believe you've already seen Technology Connections' video on this topic?

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  • From hyjinx@21:1/100 to Spectre on Sun Jun 12 14:17:05 2022
    On 10 Jun 2022, Spectre said the following...

    Oh, is *that* why most of you 'mericans don't know what a Kettle is?!

    Where I come from.. a kettle is something that you fill with water, and bang on the stove, or another heat source to boil and 95% of the time
    has a whistle on it so you know its boiled.

    So slow. So inefficient. So noisy ;) The civilised world got rid of them some 50-60 years ago <g>.

    The leccy thing on the other hand is usually a Jug... with all the usual leccy things going on, turns itself off.. in the days of my youth there wa the odd electric kettle around... The last one I saw was my grandmothers.. looked like a traditional kettle, with a whistle no less... I don't think actually turned itself off either, but... its got to be the better part 45 years or more since I saw it.

    Some (generally Northern English) people also say 'put the jug on', but I
    would consider a jug something you put any volumes of non liquid or liquid
    in.

    Imagine a world without Kettles... whoa!

    Cheers,
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  • From hyjinx@21:1/126 to McDoob on Sun Jun 12 14:20:50 2022
    On 10 Jun 2022, McDoob said the following...

    Oh, is *that* why most of you 'mericans don't know what a Kettle is?! Seriously I watched a YT video the other day where this guy asked ran Americans what a kettle was and they all had no idea. I just find it

    I saw a similar (maybe the same) video recently. But one must remember that coffee is the dominant hot drink in North America, not tea. Almost everyone here has a coffee maker, but not a tea kettle.

    Yeah, but I also use my kettle for making hot water for stock, for cooking
    rice and noodles, or for other non tea-drinks that require hot water. It's a lot faster than boiling it on the stove. My kettle probably gets used minimum 4-5 times a day. If I'm in a UK household, where tea is properly going, it's probably like 10 times a day lol.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to hyjinx on Sun Jun 12 14:52:00 2022
    So slow. So inefficient. So noisy ;) The civilised world got rid of them some 50-60 years ago <g>.

    Some would say the world lost some of its civilisation... :P Speaking of my grandmother... she had ye olde standard kettle that she'd put on the wood stove... the "leccy kettle" looks the same, save its powered by spare electrons.

    If your kettle looks like a jug, its a jug not a kettle :)

    Some (generally Northern English) people also say 'put the jug on', but I

    Australia and NZ also identify these things as jugs..

    Imagine a world without Kettles... whoa!

    Noooooo how would you heat enough water for your 10cup teapot?

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to McDoob on Sun Jun 12 14:55:00 2022
    I saw a similar (maybe the same) video recently. But one must remember that coffee is the dominant hot drink in North America, not tea. Almost everyone here has a coffee maker, but not a tea kettle.

    Civilisation is slipping.. but one must ask the more critical question, one
    can make hot water in a kettle, jug, or even a pot, but who has a teapot.
    There is no tea like the tea you get out of a good teapot. :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hyjinx on Mon Jun 20 09:35:00 2022
    hyjinx wrote to McDoob <=-

    Yeah, but I also use my kettle for making hot water for stock, for
    cooking rice and noodles, or for other non tea-drinks that require hot water. It's a lot faster than boiling it on the stove. My kettle
    probably gets used minimum 4-5 times a day. If I'm in a UK household, where tea is properly going, it's probably like 10 times a day lol.

    Hot tea for my English wife, iced tea for me - we use ours heavily, too.

    My son is going off to college this fall, and I'm wondering what the state
    of dorm room kitchen tech is these days. I started off with a hot pot that made hot water for soup and instant espresso but could double as a soup/ramen/broth heater, don't know if nowadays that's passe and everyone
    goes straight to microwave ovens.

    It wasn't long before I got a Braun Aromaster coffee maker and relied on my tea drinking neighbor for his 3 quart electric vacuum pot for water. He
    drank tea constantly and always had it going.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Mon Jun 20 09:36:00 2022
    Spectre wrote to hyjinx <=-

    Some would say the world lost some of its civilisation... :P Speaking
    of my grandmother... she had ye olde standard kettle that she'd put on
    the wood stove... the "leccy kettle" looks the same, save its powered
    by spare electrons.

    One sleep-deprived morning, as my infant daughter had kept us awake multiple times over the night, I took the electric kettle, filled it with water, then placed it on the stove. :(




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Mon Jun 20 09:37:00 2022
    Spectre wrote to McDoob <=-

    Civilisation is slipping.. but one must ask the more critical question, one can make hot water in a kettle, jug, or even a pot, but who has a teapot. There is no tea like the tea you get out of a good teapot. :)

    My wife and her friends all make builders tea. Get the biggest mugs we have, make it strong, add milk and sugar. Repeat as necessary.

    PG Tips or Yorkshire gold, only.

    I need to dust off the teapot occasionally.


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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jun 20 21:12:00 2022
    On Mon Jun 20 09:36:00 2022, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Spectre <=-

    Some would say the world lost some of its civilisation... :P Speaking of my grandmother... she had ye olde standard kettle that she'd put on the wood stove... the "leccy kettle" looks the same, save its powered by spare electrons.

    One sleep-deprived morning, as my infant daughter had kept us awake multiple
    times over the night, I took the electric kettle, filled it with water, then
    placed it on the stove. :(

    Hate to ask this...but am going to. Did you turn on the burner under the kettle or plug it in? Curious minds want to know. ;)

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  • From DustCouncil@21:1/227 to hyjinx on Tue Jun 21 18:09:44 2022
    Yeah, but I also use my kettle for making hot water for stock, for
    cooking rice and noodles, or for other non tea-drinks that require hot water. It's a lot faster than boiling it on the stove. My kettle
    probably gets used minimum 4-5 times a day. If I'm in a UK household, where tea is properly going, it's probably like 10 times a day lol.

    A few years ago I became curious about all of this British tea stuff owing to an essay by George Orwell, "A Nice Cup of Tea."

    https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other -works/a-nice-cup-of-tea/

    I will occasionally drink tea. I like the more moderated, even-flow caffeine effect of tea as opposed to the full-throttle explosion you get from coffee. Also, it affects my sleep a lot less. For reasons I don't understand, a belt of coffee at 8 in the morning can keep me awake at midnight when I am trying to go to sleep. Tea, much less so.

    Anyway, any reading on this subject brings you to kettles, and I was convinced buy one, and now I can't live without it. Similarly, I use it to get water to boiling faster than the stove will allow, and use it to prepare food, coffee on those days when I want to get really ripped, and the occasional (still occasional) tea.

    If my experience is any indication, the main thing separating Americans from a kettle is trying one out. It's worth the space it takes up on the counter even if you don't drink much tea. My wife uses it daily for coffee.

    I will end this with the wise counsel of Mr. Orwell: "Actually one can swallow tea-leaves in considerable quantities without ill effect."

    Wise words for a weary world.

    Swallow those tea leaves, folks. SWALLOW THE HELL OUT OF THEM.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 22 17:54:00 2022
    Hot tea for my English wife, iced tea for me - we use ours heavily, too.

    You know you've hit a serious tea drinking home, when the TeaPot arrives at
    the table it holds in the order of 20 cups of tea.. and puts the average
    kettle or jug to shame. :) I'm not sure why it didn't always occur to me,
    but once or twice I got handed cups of tea, and thinking nothing of it threw back the last of cup, only to find I had a mouthful of tea leaves... now
    that's a real cuppa.

    I tend to give my "Jug" a workout... if I'm doing nothing more than sitting
    in front of the pooty and its a freezie cold day, I'll just rug up and go through continuous cups of tea staying warm.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 22 17:59:00 2022
    One sleep-deprived morning, as my infant daughter had kept us awake multiple times over the night, I took the electric kettle, filled
    it with water, then placed it on the stove. :(

    I was working at someone's home once, with a number of others, paint and cleanup for sale job. They gave us run of the kitchen all was well for a while... I'm working in a bedroom some time later and a couple of the guys outside start telling me through the window there's smoke. I can smell it,
    but thought it was outside, and they're ahh no, it's coming out of the
    window. We had a couple of odd middle eastern background guys, and one of
    them had done the same thing.. We were calling him Chemical Ali with the
    secret smoke attack for a bit... set off the smoke alarms, house ended up
    full of smoke, had to drop a wet towel over the mess on the stove to put it out. Given the neighbourhood at the time, we were lucky no one had called
    the fire brigade the smoke was that thick.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 22 18:06:00 2022
    My wife and her friends all make builders tea. Get the biggest mugs we have, make it strong, add milk and sugar. Repeat as necessary.

    You can keep your sugar, but I'm with you the rest of the way there.

    PG Tips or Yorkshire gold, only.

    I don't know Yorkshire gold or it turns out after investigation PG Tips either... here we have the standard pretty much as Liptons, although the
    missus has struck a liking for Twinings Strong English Breakfast.

    Used to be a lot more brands once... my mother would buy packets of tea, they came with collector cards, a bit like ye olde cigarette cards in them. Tynee Tips, comes to mind.. most seem to have disappeared now though.

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to ACMEBBS on Tue Jun 21 06:19:00 2022
    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Hate to ask this...but am going to. Did you turn on the burner under
    the kettle or plug it in? Curious minds want to know. ;)


    Turned the heat on, melted a perfectly good kettle. :(


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  • From Ford Prefect@21:3/163 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 22 09:07:23 2022
    Re: Re: barbed wire telephony
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to ACMEBBS on Tue Jun 21 2022 06:19 am

    Turned the heat on, melted a perfectly good kettle. :(

    We have a number of heat resistant spatulas. Apparently, when left on the heating surface of the stove, they are not as heat resistant as labeled. :)

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Ford Prefect on Wed Jun 22 17:38:00 2022
    Ford Prefect wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Re: Re: barbed wire telephony
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to ACMEBBS on Tue Jun 21 2022 06:19 am

    Turned the heat on, melted a perfectly good kettle. :(

    We have a number of heat resistant spatulas. Apparently, when
    left on the heating surface of the stove, they are not as heat
    resistant as labeled. :)

    Have you tried it with a non-heat-resistant spatula? ;-)



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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 22 15:57:00 2022
    On Tue Jun 21 06:19:00 2022, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    Hate to ask this...but am going to. Did you turn on the burner under the kettle or plug it in? Curious minds want to know. ;)

    Turned the heat on, melted a perfectly good kettle. :(

    Sounds like something I might do when I'm not paying attention. Sorry to hear that about any appliance.

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  • From Grimpen@21:2/154 to Ford Prefect on Thu Jun 23 00:00:00 2022

    Ford Prefect wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Re: Re: barbed wire telephony
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to ACMEBBS on Tue Jun 21 2022 06:19 am

    We have a number of heat resistant spatulas. Apparently, when left on
    the heating surface of the stove, they are not as heat resistant as labeled. :)

    Heat *resistant!* Not heat proof!

    I did something similar with a microwave splatter cover. Figured it must be fairly heat resistant, so put something hot on it rather than move it out of the way. I think it had 0.5 seconds of heat resistance at best.

    -Grimpen

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  • From Grimpen@21:2/154 to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Jun 23 00:00:00 2022

    Civilisation is slipping.. but one must ask the more critical question, one can make hot water in a kettle, jug, or even a pot, but who has a teapot. There is no tea like the tea you get out of a good teapot. :)

    My wife and her friends all make builders tea. Get the biggest mugs we have, make it strong, add milk and sugar. Repeat as necessary.

    PG Tips or Yorkshire gold, only.

    Builder's style tea for my wife as well. I usually use one of those tea mugs with the built in strainer and use leaf tea. Just had some Yorkshire Gold a couple of hours ago! Typhoo Extra Strong is the next box of bagged tea. Actually got a box of "Builder's Tea" branded tea once. Decent. Lipton's, not so much, you might sayau| it wasn't my cup of tea.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Wed Jun 22 07:50:00 2022
    Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I don't know Yorkshire gold or it turns out after investigation PG Tips either... here we have the standard pretty much as Liptons, although
    the missus has struck a liking for Twinings Strong English Breakfast.

    Used to be a lot more brands once... my mother would buy packets of
    tea, they came with collector cards, a bit like ye olde cigarette cards
    in them. Tynee Tips, comes to mind.. most seem to have disappeared now though.

    I spent last week at Russian River, near the Napa valley wine region in California. A quaint little town called Duncan's Mills has a great little
    tea shop, with a web site aptly named duncansmillsteashop.com.

    We bought a lot of tea there - I bought some lapsang souchong and black current black tea, my daughter bought a citrus green tea and a lavender
    citrus herbal tea.

    I should have picked up some Irish breakfast tea while I was there.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ford Prefect on Thu Jun 23 08:26:00 2022
    Ford Prefect wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    We have a number of heat resistant spatulas. Apparently, when left on
    the heating surface of the stove, they are not as heat resistant as labeled. :)

    Time to load up the kids in the car and take a trip to SPATULA CITY!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to ACMEBBS on Thu Jun 23 08:27:00 2022
    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Sounds like something I might do when I'm not paying attention. Sorry
    to hear that about any appliance.

    Thanks, it was a nice Breville kettle, too. We replaced it with a no-name cheapie (this was in 2010) which just failed, to be replaced with another no-name kettle.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Grimpen on Thu Jun 23 08:31:00 2022
    Grimpen wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    Builder's style tea for my wife as well. I usually use one of those
    tea mugs with the built in strainer and use leaf tea. Just had some Yorkshire Gold a couple of hours ago! Typhoo Extra Strong is the next
    box of bagged tea. Actually got a box of "Builder's Tea" branded tea
    once. Decent. Lipton's, not so much, you might sayau| it wasn't my
    cup of tea.

    I can't even use Lipton's for iced tea any more.

    There's a great podcast called "Eat This World" where the host discusses the history of various foods, interviews chefs, etc. The episode on tea was interesting.

    Sir Thomas Lipton wanted to move tea from a highbrow drink to the masses and sent out little silk sachets full of tea to markets to get the word out. People started steeping the whole sachet in boiling water, and the tea bag
    was invented, unintentionally.





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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Thu Jun 23 08:35:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to Ford Prefect <=-

    We have a number of heat resistant spatulas. Apparently, when
    left on the heating surface of the stove, they are not as heat
    resistant as labeled. :)

    Have you tried it with a non-heat-resistant spatula? ;-)

    How about the new heat (and gluten) intolerant spatulas?


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 24 07:55:00 2022
    I spent last week at Russian River, near the Napa valley wine region in California. A quaint little town called Duncan's Mills has a great little tea shop, with a web site aptly named duncansmillsteashop.com.

    HAlf your luck!

    We bought a lot of tea there - I bought some lapsang souchong and black current black tea, my daughter bought a citrus green tea and a lavender citrus herbal tea.

    Not a fan of flavoured teas... usually happy enough with just black. Was a time I was partial to earl grey.. but having revisited it recently, I've lost the palate for it. My previous wife once offered me tea when we first met... of course she had half a dozen or so flavoured teas all loose and jammed into one container... tasted much like you'd imagine... bloody awful.

    Given it sucks up other flavours, I've thought about storing some with cloves or cinnamon... maybe even nutmeg... but not actually gotten a round-tuit for
    it yet.

    I should have picked up some Irish breakfast tea while I was there.

    If you like tea for what it is, I find most of the "breakfasts" hit the spot.

    Spec


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  • From Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jun 23 15:24:21 2022
    Re: Re: barbed wire telephony
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ford Prefect on Thu Jun 23 2022 08:26 am

    We have a number of heat resistant spatulas. Apparently, when left
    on the heating surface of the stove, they are not as heat resistant
    as labeled. :)

    Time to load up the kids in the car and take a trip to SPATULA CITY!

    I was thinking that. I wasn't sure how many people would get the reference. :)

    Nightfox
  • From Ford Prefect@21:3/163 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 24 12:36:58 2022
    Re: Re: barbed wire telephony
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ford Prefect on Thu Jun 23 2022 08:26 am

    Time to load up the kids in the car and take a trip to SPATULA CITY!

    <snort>

    Brian Klauss <-> Ford Prefect
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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jun 25 01:31:00 2022
    On Thu Jun 23 08:27:00 2022, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    Sounds like something I might do when I'm not paying attention. Sorry to hear that about any appliance.
    Thanks, it was a nice Breville kettle, too. We replaced it with a no-name cheapie (this was in 2010) which just failed, to be replaced with another no-name kettle.

    Usually...will head to the thrift store...occasionally finding some gems. One of these was a Zojunshi bread maker worth $300-350 US on Amazon about 10 years ago. Paid $8.00 US & still have/use it.

    ... Large dog for sale. Eats anything... loves kids.
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