I am Amiga curious. Is there a way I can run it through windows and run an emulated amiga system?


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Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Utopian Galt to All on Wed Jun 19 2024 01:49 pm

I am Amiga curious. Is there a way I can run it through windows and run an emulated amiga system?

I've heard of Amiga emulators such as WinUAE. I haven't tried it much myself though.

For games, I've also seen old Amiga games pre-packaged with an Amiga emulator you can download that are already set up to run with an included batch file.. I found the Amiga Lemmigs that way and thought it was pretty cool.

Nightfox

I am Amiga curious. Is there a way I can run it through
windows and run an emulated amiga system?

I am in a similar state of Amiga curiousness. I haven't tried it myself yet, but Pimiga looks interesting - a Raspberry Pi image that boots into an Amiga emulator and has some software ready to run.

https://cubiclenate.com/pimiga/


Chris/akacastor


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I am Amiga curious. Is there a way I can run it through
windows and run an emulated amiga system?

I am in a similar state of Amiga curiousness. I haven't tried it myself yet, but Pimiga looks interesting - a Raspberry Pi image that boots into an Amiga emulator and has some software ready to run.

If you do have a Raspberry Pi, PiMiga is a great way to try Amiga as it will have plenty of software to play with.

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If you do have a Raspberry Pi, PiMiga is a great way to
try Amiga as it will have plenty of software to play
with.

Any suggestions of software to make a point of checking out? I know there's a lot of neat Amiga software, but I don't really know what to look at specifically. Or is just sampling the selection provided by PiMiga where I should start?


Chris/akacastor


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Any suggestions of software to make a point of checking out? I know there's a lot of neat Amiga software, but I don't really know what to
look at specifically. Or is just sampling the selection provided by PiMiga where I should start?

Oddly enough, I did not have an Amiga back in the day, so I don't have any specific programs I can suggest. However the reason this computer was always on my dream list was the graphic programs such as Deluxe Paint and Lightwave 3D. I still find those programs amazing now considering of the limited hardware as compared today.
It was also considered an amazing gaming computer, as compared to "IBM" pc's of the era. It was also one of the best platforms for the DemoScene.

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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: neoshock to AKAcastor on Thu Jun 20 2024 23:15:40

It was also considered an amazing gaming computer, as compared to "IBM" pc's of the era. It was also one of the best platforms for the DemoScene.

I also never had an Amiga but I can vaguely remember my friend's one playing Putty, Flashback and.... errr... I can't remember. Apparently they have the best Lemmings over there.

The demos on that platform, though... it's like they built a machine just for the demoscene!

I suppose for prosperity's sake you'd have to fire up one of the original tracker packages, a bit of deluxe paint?

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If you do have a Raspberry Pi, PiMiga is a great way to try Amiga as it will have plenty of software to play with.

Can't beat a real Amiga though. :)

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limited hardware as compared today. It was also considered an amazing gaming computer, as compared to "IBM" pc's of the era. It was also
one of the best platforms for the DemoScene.

I dunno what games it had, I never really had anything to do with them. Only that they sucked 68k accelerators out of the Mac market, not that I had much
to do with 68k macs either :) Asided from AppleTalk servers.

The first one I saw, would've been ~90 I guess. Popped up at a local Uni computer club. Us die hard Apple II guys were playing Ultima V, and there's this probably 5/600 blazing this demo away. It looked impressive.

The problem I had with Meagres and all Demos, is that while they were technically good, they had no practical value. Watch it once oor twice and
your done. The IIgs has some of the same problems, lots of demos. Especially early on...


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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Spectre to neoshock on Sat Jun 22 2024 18:15:00

Hi, Spec.

The problem I had with Meagres and all Demos, is that while they were technically good, they had no practical value. Watch it once oor twice and your done. The IIgs has some of the same problems, lots of demos. Especially early on...

I'm not sure I agree with the "no practical value" bit, I think demos pushed the limits of systems and showed mainstream developers a lot of cool techniques which then made their way into games and other apps. We can probably thank the demoscene for the high standard of MOD / tracker music that we ended up with as well.

Plus, on the human side, I reckon the really cutting edge demos stirred up more excitement and emotion than most of the other software that came out.

I never had an Amiga but I gather the games were pretty well loved on the platform. I don't think I ever saw an Amiga demo at the time, probably my Amiga-having friends were not geeky enough and I should have found some others :)

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I'm not sure I agree with the "no practical value" bit, I think demos pushed the limits of systems and showed mainstream developers a lot of cool techniques which then made their way into games and other apps. We can probably thank the demoscene for the high standard of MOD / tracker music that we ended up with as well.

While I concur demos pushed the hardware hard. It may be a little different
on other platforms, but I never saw anything come out of a demo that was
pushed into the mainstream.

I don't think MODs ever went mainstream in a commercial sense. I have to say the music was a symptom of the times and it was never a style I could get on board with. The good mods were the exception to me, and few and far between.

Plus, on the human side, I reckon the really cutting edge demos stirred up more excitement and emotion than most of the other software that came out.

I can somewhat agree with that. But a demo lasted 5 mins and then it was all over, no excitement here. By the end of a week nobody would remember the details. <shrug>

I never had an Amiga but I gather the games were pretty well loved on the platform. I don't think I ever saw an Amiga demo at the time, probably my

Oddly enough I never saw anyone playing games on an Amiga. I'm sure they
exist, but the ones I saw were to busy pfaffing about with demos.

Spec


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Oddly enough I never saw anyone playing games on an Amiga. I'm sure they exist, but the ones I saw were to busy pfaffing about with demos.

Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3, Millenium 2.2, Zool, Super Cars to name but a few :)

Klunk

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Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3, Millenium 2.2, Zool, Super Cars to name but a few :)

Out of all that, I've only heard of Lemmings... always hated lemmings :P

Spec


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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Spectre to Bob Worm on Sun Jun 23 2024 22:34:00

I never had an Amiga but I gather the games were pretty well loved on the platform. I don't think I ever saw an Amiga demo at the time, probably my

Oddly enough I never saw anyone playing games on an Amiga. I'm sure they exist, but the ones I saw were to busy pfaffing about with demos.

I think we should have swapped friends :)

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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Spectre to klunk on Mon Jun 24 2024 08:11:00

Out of all that, I've only heard of Lemmings... always hated lemmings :P

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

Or don't - you are fully entitled to your opinion.

Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3, Millenium 2.2, Zool, Super Cars to name but a few :)

I remember the Lemmings, Lotus and Zool PC ports - Lemmings looks pretty similar to the Amiga but the other two were not a patch. One big difference being the quality of the audio.

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Oddly enough I never saw anyone playing games on an Amiga. I'm sure t exist, but the ones I saw were to busy pfaffing about with demos.

Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3, Millenium 2.2, Zool, Super
Cars to name but a few :)

one personal favourite of mine is CyberSphere, great breakout clone and i
think that the amiga version sounds a lot better than the later DOS port :)

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Out of all that, I've only heard of Lemmings... always hated lemmings :P

Lotus 1,2 & 3 and Supercars were created by Magnetic Fields a local coding crew in Sheffield and also published by Gremlin Graphics who is also in Sheffield. I believe the current day incarnation of Gremlin Grapohics is called Sumo Digital and still is in Sheffield, UK

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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: klunk to Spectre on Sun Jun 23 2024 19:35:49

Hi, klunk.

Lotus 1,2 & 3 and Supercars were created by Magnetic Fields a local coding crew in Sheffield and also published by Gremlin Graphics who is also in Sheffield. I believe the current day incarnation of Gremlin Grapohics is called Sumo Digital and still is in Sheffield, UK

Crikey, more Sheffield love in there than Gino D'Acampo's autobiography!

Hello from sunny South Wales :)

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Hello from sunny South Wales :)

Look out for low flying Sheep? :P


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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Spectre to Bob Worm on Mon Jun 24 2024 20:11:00

Look out for low flying Sheep? :P

:(

Maybe :)

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Hi Utopian Galt,

On Wednesday June 19 2024, Utopian Galt said to All:

I am Amiga curious. Is there a way I can run it through windows and run
an emulated amiga system?

Winuae is the best windows Amiga emulator.. You will need some amiga
kickstart rom's though to be able to do anything...

1.2/1.3/2.0 if your after a game experiance.
3.1+ if you want a workstation/desktop experiance.


\/orlon
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Stephen

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Hi Akacastor,

On Wednesday June 19 2024, Akacastor said to Utopian Galt:

I am Amiga curious. Is there a way I can run it through windows and
run an emulated amiga system?

I am in a similar state of Amiga curiousness. I haven't tried it myself yet, but Pimiga looks interesting - a Raspberry Pi image that boots into
an Amiga emulator and has some software ready to run.

Note that this is a guide for Pimiga version 3. Version 4 is out now, but
has a bigger download. I think it's great what Chris has done, but it's to bloated and I've been able to crash it without trying...


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Stephen

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Hi Akacastor,

On Thursday June 20 2024, Akacastor said to Neoshock:

Any suggestions of software to make a point of checking out? I know there's a lot of neat Amiga software, but I don't really know what to
look at specifically. Or is just sampling the selection provided by
PiMiga where I should start?

There are lots of demos, sound mods, games, application programs in pimiga..

\/orlon
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Stephen

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Hi Klunk,

On Sunday June 23 2024, Klunk said to Spectre:

Oddly enough I never saw anyone playing games on an Amiga. I'm sure
they exist, but the ones I saw were to busy pfaffing about with demos.

Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3, Millenium 2.2, Zool, Super
Cars to name but a few :)

Superfrog! ^-;
Canon fodder!
Galaga!
Shadow of the Beast!



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Stephen

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klunk wrote to neoshock <=-

Can't beat a real Amiga though. :)

Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and mouse, all
beige? Like an Amiga 1000.



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Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and mouse, all beige? Like an Amiga 1000.

You could achieve the same result with a later model C64 :)

Spec


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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: poindexter FORTRAN to klunk on Sat Jun 22 2024 09:42 am

Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and mouse, all beige? Like an Amiga 1000.

I've wondered why it is that PC cases and accessories all switched from beige to black so fast, after being beige so many years. The black does look good, but I liked the beige also.

Nightfox

Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and mouse, all beige? Like an Amiga 1000.

No not at all.
Pc's used to be beige many moons ago.
Alas mine is now black.

Klunk

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I've wondered why it is that PC cases and accessories all switched from beige to black so fast, after being beige so many years. The black does look good, but I liked the beige also.

I'm going out on a limb and suggestion it was cheaper. Actually probably a
few things, with PCs getting to be more mainstream, and fitting them into
more home locations black is something that'll blend in better. It seemed to be a quick testing of the water, they'll buy them, and then it was on for
young and old.

Black pigment in general is going to be cheaper and higher opacity than any equivalent white pigment that you've then got to add something else to make
it beige/greige. TiO2 tends to be relatively steep in price, while cheaper white pigments have poorer opacity.


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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Spectre to Nightfox on Wed Jun 26 2024 08:10 am

I've wondered why it is that PC cases and accessories all switched from
beige to black so fast, after being beige so many years. The black does
look good, but I liked the beige also.

I'm going out on a limb and suggestion it was cheaper. Actually probably a few things, with PCs getting to be more mainstream, and fitting them into more home locations black is something that'll blend in better. It seemed to be a quick testing of the water, they'll buy them, and then it was on for young and old.

Black pigment in general is going to be cheaper and higher opacity than any equivalent white pigment that you've then got to add something else to make it beige/greige. TiO2 tends to be relatively steep in price, while cheaper white pigments have poorer opacity.

I didn't think about the cost of the pigment. And I suppose the black color being more mainstream might make sense, as things such as TVs, VCRs, etc. tended to be black.

I feel like I have nostalgia for beige PCs, as I always pictured a desktop PC on a desk, used as a tool, and desktop computers were commonly beige. I still sometimes would like to have a space big enough for a big computer desk with storage for media & things, and bonus points would be also having a beige PC case..
More nostalgia for me is, I used to also have a couple of these cardboard "economy diskette drawer", which I think I bought at my local Egghead Software at the time, to store 3.5" floppy disks.. The ones pictured here look like they're for 5.25" disks:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PugAAOSwRJ1kyU8o/s-l1600.webp
I eventually had a tower PC case, and I had a couple of those economy diskette drawers on my computer desk next to my PC tower..

Nightfox

I feel like I have nostalgia for beige PCs, as I always pictured a desktop PC on a desk, used as a tool, and desktop computers were commonly beige.
I still sometimes would like to have a space big enough for a big computer desk with storage for media & things, and bonus points would be also having a beige PC case.. More nostalgia for me is, I used to also
have a couple of these cardboard "economy diskette drawer", which
I think I bought at my local Egghead Software at the time, to store
3.5" floppy disks.. The ones pictured here look like they're
for 5.25" disks:

The old 286 era equipment stuffed into XT style cases that have an open
layout, lots of space, and allow for full height, full length cards. I had 3
of those stacked at one stage..

Those cardboard floppy boxes are reminiscent of some that came with my
Clone-E. Never saw them in the wild though. We mostly used the plastic
boxes the 10 packs came in. The other was the plastic 50-100 floppy boxes
that also get used for CDs. I did come across someone that had thousands
well one or two, that were jammed into long custom boxes made of plywood,
would easily have held something in the order of 500 a "crate" is probably a better term.


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Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and mouse, all beige? Like an Amiga 1000.

Nope, it is not bad. I have been looking for a modern computer case this is horizontal for quite some time, but have not seen anything I like. I could avoid CRT monitor, its one thing I don't crave for. Maybe it is the number of times I have moved homes LOL. If anyone knows a a current PC case manufacture that makes a horizontal case please let me know.

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If anyone knows a a current
PC case manufacture that makes a horizontal case please let me know.

Checkmate makes retro Amiga-styled cases that fit mini-ITX/ATX boards or
Amiga boards, plus they recently started making a 4:3 LCD monitor styled like
a CRT: https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/

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Vorlon wrote to klunk <=-

Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3

"Kids, We didn't have fancy computer games when we growed up. We had to
play with our dad's spreadsheet program - and we liked it!"


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Checkmate makes retro Amiga-styled cases that fit mini-ITX/ATX boards or Amiga boards, plus they recently started making a 4:3
LCD monitor styled like
a CRT: https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/

Wow those monitors look great! I hadn't heard of Checkmate, thanks for sharing. New items added to my wishlist! :)


Chris/akacastor


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number of times I have moved homes LOL. If anyone knows a a current PC case manufacture that makes a horizontal case please let me know.

Not spercifically, but the jungle webs site has this thing...

https://www.amazon.com.au/SilverStone-Technology-Grandia-Radiator-SST-GD11B

Sorry this is an incomplete URL, the complete one is about 6Km long. Give you something to work with at least.

Spec


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On 25 Jun 24 10:03:38 Nightfox wrote...

Re: Re: I want to do something retro... By: poindexter FORTRAN to
klunk on Sat Jun 22 2024 09:42 am

Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and
mouse, all beige? Like an Amiga 1000.

I've wondered why it is that PC cases and accessories all switched
from beige to black so fast, after being beige so many years. The
black does look good, but I liked the beige also.

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To which Bf2K+ replies...

Both of my main PCs (BEAST and BBSBOX) are built in black Cooler Master cases... the newest case is 1 year old (an N400) and the oldest one is an
HAF that I bought more than 10 years ago. The HAF is my main PC.

I do still have an old beige PC under the desk that runs Windows XP. I
keep it around for use with my Willem Prommer and the old software that
runs it.

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Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3

"Kids, We didn't have fancy computer games when we growed up. We had to play with our dad's spreadsheet program - and we liked it!"

You had a spreadsheet? We were writing basic programs on paper... :/

Spec


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If anyone knows a a current
PC case manufacture that makes a horizontal case please let me know.

Checkmate makes retro Amiga-styled cases that fit mini-ITX/ATX boards or Amiga boards, plus they recently started making a 4:3 LCD monitor styled like a CRT: https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/

+1; this is from the guy thats been in the Amiga hardware world since the 1000. He also is trying to produce a pretty cool monitor for retro computing - while it IS an LCD, it has a lot of cool features... you can insert different modules in the monitor depending on your input needs; one module is even a full MiSTeR FPGA that can BE the retro computer.

w00t w00t.



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Checkmate makes retro Amiga-styled cases that fit mini-ITX/ATX boards or Amiga boards, plus they recently started making a 4:3 LCD monitor styled like a CRT: https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/

Thank you, I will look into that :)

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Not spercifically, but the jungle webs site has this thing...

https://www.amazon.com.au/SilverStone-Technology-Grandia-Radiator-SST-GD11

Thank you, I was trying to avoid HTPC cases, although looking at this one, its not HTPC looking. Quite pricey though LOL.

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On 27 Jun 2024, Spectre said the following...

You had a spreadsheet? We were writing basic programs on paper... :/

I remember checking a book out from the library filled with basic programs for the C64, oh the joys of typing pages upon pages of basic code hoping you don't make a typo. At least I was able to save any of the good programs/games to a cassette once I had typed them out correctly.


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Thank you, I was trying to avoid HTPC cases, although looking at this one, its not HTPC looking. Quite pricey though LOL.

Given the form factor doesn't seem overly popular at the moment, I suspect it'll probably going to be relatively expensive.


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I remember checking a book out from the library filled with basic programs for the C64, oh the joys of typing pages upon pages of basic code hoping you don't make a typo. At least I was able to save any of the good programs/games to a cassette once I had typed them out correctly.

Never went there. The parents always though that computers would be a flash
in the pan, so no typing. A lot later though, the same jooy could be had entering hexadecimal code into "Monitor" on the II range... the joys of
looking for typo in reams of two digit numbers... Even worse than hunting in basic code.

Spec


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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Spectre to Warpslide on Fri Jun 28 2024 02:38:00

Hi, Spec.

Never went there. The parents always though that computers would be a flash in the pan, so no typing. A lot later though, the same jooy could be had entering hexadecimal code into "Monitor" on the II range... the joys of looking for typo in reams of two digit numbers... Even worse than hunting in basic code.

I never could afford magazines for type-ins but I do remember my brother and me collaborating to type in a "baby crying" program from the C64 manual. One-read-one-type-then-swap setup. The *entire* thing was pokes, as I remember it, and it didn't work by the time we had it all entered.

Now that I think about it, that spiral bound manual is most likely archived online so I *could* go back and find out what it was meant to sound like, assuming I can do a better job on my own than with my pesky brother :)

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I never could afford magazines for type-ins but I do
remember my brother and me collaborating to type in a
"baby crying" program from the C64 manual. One-read-one-
type-then-swap setup. The *entire* thing was pokes, as
I remember it, and it didn't work by the time we had it
all entered.

Now that I think about it, that spiral bound manual is
most likely archived online so I *could* go back and
find out what it was meant to sound like, assuming I
can do a better job on my own than with my pesky brother :)

Wouldn't it be a surprise if there was a misprint in the book and that's why it never worked?

I am still suspicious about some of those programs I typed in in the 80's and maybe it wasn't my fault after all! (OK, I definitely made mistakes typing them in.)


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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: AKAcastor to Bob Worm on Thu Jun 27 2024 10:57:28

Hi, AKAcastor.

Wouldn't it be a surprise if there was a misprint in the book and that's why it never worked?

Hmm, the only "mis" here appears to be me mis-remembering - it's a crying *doll*, not a crying *baby*, and the program is only 10 lines long. My goodness I must have had no sticking power when I was younger!

I managed to find the original code, typed it in... no sound. Fixed the 2 typos I'd made and ran it again - sound! Very disappointing sound, but sound!

Now there is a tiny chance the emulation is not quite right, I also entered the gunshot program which (in my emulator, at least) alternates loud and quiet each loop like a funky drumbeat - though I can't see from looking at the program why that would be.

What's Bob rambling on about, you ask? https://www.lemon64.com/hosted/manual/manual/8_4.html

Perhaps someone with real hardware could do me a solid favour and try these out for me? Pretty please?

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Can't beat a real Amiga though. :)

indeed i want one bvut they are so expensive!

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Hello from sunny South Wales :)

wassup! :D

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I feel like I have nostalgia for beige PCs, as I always pictured a
desktop PC on a desk, used as a tool, and desktop computers were
commonly beige. I still sometimes would like to have a space big enough for a big computer desk with storage for media & things, and bonus
points would be also having a beige PC case..

<3 <3 <3 <3

thats nostalgia for me i have no desk for my 2 286 desktop and other machines i have no room in my room so i need to move with them all someday to michigan!

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The old 286 era equipment stuffed into XT style cases that have an open layout, lots of space, and allow for full height, full length cards. I
had 3 of those stacked at one stage..

wow! <3

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I never could afford magazines for type-ins but I do remember my brother and me collaborating to type in a "baby crying" program from the C64 manual. One-read-one-type-then-swap setup. The *entire* thing was pokes, as I remember it, and it didn't work by the time we had it all entered.

I was a little lucky in my first job, magazine returns at a newsagent. It
took me a month to get enough cash for an elderly II+, it didn't pay particularly well but it did give me access to all sorts of magazines. Some
of which you only had to rip the cover off to send back :) Start my program entry career as short as it was.

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Wouldn't it be a surprise if there was a misprint in the book and that's why it never worked?

You used to see this in some of the magazines. You'd get your hands on one, with something you thought sounded good in it, type it in, and presto, crash and burn.

If you'd managed to get the following issue or two, you might have found corrections, but we never did so you'd be there banging your head against a brick wall rechecking everything half a dozen times, even going full
re-entry to no avail.

Spec


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Hi Poindexter Fortran,

On Tuesday June 25 2024, Poindexter Fortran said to Vorlon:

Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3

"Kids, We didn't have fancy computer games when we growed up. We had
to play with our dad's spreadsheet program - and we liked it!"

Typing a program into it, and hoping the power didn't go out before saving
it to tape. Or "Dad vorlon's hogging the TV, I want to watch a show"....



\/orlon
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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Spectre to Bob Worm on Fri Jun 28 2024 11:25:00

Hi, Spec.

I was a little lucky in my first job, magazine returns at a newsagent. It took me a month to get enough cash for an elderly II+, it didn't pay particularly well but it did give me access to all sorts of magazines. Some of which you only had to rip the cover off to send back :) Start my program entry career as short as it was.

That really seems like a "stars aligned" job for a young computer enthusiast wannabe!

Do you still have any of the authentic, no-cover magazines?

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Typing a program into it, and hoping the power didn't go out before saving it to tape. Or "Dad vorlon's hogging the TV, I want to watch a show"....

Never had that problem. On the other side I was able to irritate my sister by using the phone for dialup though :)


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Do you still have any of the authentic, no-cover magazines?

Unfortunately no. I lost most of it, hmmm 30+ years ago during relationship disintegration. Since then I've had to downsize a few times.. the most
recent was into a 2 bedroom unit, things had to go, just couldn't keep everything :/

Spec


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On 27 Jun 2024, Spectre said the following...

You had a spreadsheet? We were writing basic programs on paper... :/

I remember checking a book out from the library filled with basic programs for the C64, oh the joys of typing pages upon pages of basic code hoping you don't make a typo. At least I was able to save any of the good programs/games to a cassette once I had typed them out correctly.

I wasn't worried with a typo in basic programs... It was the (hmm, my vocabulary is failing) I want to say hex code that got me...

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Never went there. The parents always though that computers would be a f in the pan, so no typing. A lot later though, the same jooy could be h entering hexadecimal code into "Monitor" on the II range... the joys of looking for typo in reams of two digit numbers... Even worse than hunti basic code.

I never could afford magazines for type-ins but I do remember my brother and me collaborating to type in a "baby crying" program from the C64 manual. One-read-one-type-then-swap setup. The *entire* thing was pokes, as I remember it, and it didn't work by the time we had it all entered.

Both my Commodore Vic20 and 64 were hand me downs, and there were a collection of software, accessories and the Compute' Gazette collection, I remember typing in those programs. When I got the VIC20 I did not even have a desk, the computer would just be on the ground with me cross-legged sitting on the floor typing away.

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Wouldn't it be a surprise if there was a misprint in the book and that's why it never worked?

There were always mistakes in those magazines and books. For magazines you would need to wait for a following issue if the noticed the mistake, or for a lot of the books, the programs written in basic would be a generic basic, and sometimes you would need to modify it for you particular computer.

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There were always mistakes in those magazines and books.
For magazines you would need to wait for a following
issue if the noticed the mistake, or for a lot of the
books, the programs written in basic would be a generic
basic, and sometimes you would need to modify it for you
particular computer.

Oh yes, the books that had BASIC programs that would run on any computer! And somehow they often didn't seem to work on any computer I tried! haha

I remember borrowing books from the library that suggested the programs could work on an computer with BASIC (but you may need to make some small modifications). I definitely wasn't able to get past the 'small modifications' step at that time.. Sometimes I hadn't even seen the computers that ran the BASIC dialect used in the book - pretty sure I remember trying to get some Sinclair BASIC programs running in Microsoft GW-BASIC in DOS, I'd never seen a ZX Spectrum in my life.

The books were still a great experience.


Chris/akacastor


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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: neoshock to Bob Worm on Mon Jul 01 2024 03:39:25

Hi, Lloyd.

When I got the VIC20 I did not even have
a desk, the computer would just be on the ground with me cross-legged sitting on the floor typing away.

Wow, that's dedication. Shows how engrossing computers were in those days.

Of course if we could have just sat in front of the TV on a laptop in those days I imagine that would have been what we did instead :)

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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: AKAcastor to Neoshock on Mon Jul 01 2024 11:56:06

Hi, Chris.

I remember trying to get some Sinclair BASIC programs running in Microsoft GW-BASIC in DOS, I'd never seen a ZX Spectrum in my life.

I think you had more luck making Sinclair type-ins work on DOS than I ever did on my aunt's Sinclair. That awful BASIC where you had to have the cursor in keyword mode and press "P" for "PRINT" - don't *type* "PRINT", that won't work. Oh, you did it again. Oh and now the whole line is muffed and actually now that I look, so is that one 3 lines ago.

35 years on and I'm still extraordinarily furious just thinking back to that. And to think, people loved those things. What's wrong with people?

Eughhhh!

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I remember trying to get some Sinclair BASIC
programs running in Microsoft
GW-BASIC in DOS, I'd never seen a ZX Spectrum in my life.

I think you had more luck making Sinclair type-ins work
on DOS than I ever did on my aunt's Sinclair. That
awful BASIC where you had to have the cursor in keyword
mode and press "P" for "PRINT" - don't *type* "PRINT",
that won't work. Oh, you did it again. Oh and now the
whole line is muffed and actually now that I look, so
is that one 3 lines ago.

Oh no. I didn't realize the depths of the depravity of Sinclair BASIC. I've always been curious about the ZX Spectrum but now I must re-evaluate whether it is a curiousity or a curse.

35 years on and I'm still extraordinarily furious just
thinking back to that. And to think, people loved those
things. What's wrong with people?

Seems like we heard "inexpensive computers" and our brains shut off while we sat in front of those terribly frustrating underpowered uncomfortable gadgets. (I feel like that was a kind of genre of computers in the 80s, and I wanted them all.)


Chris/akacastor

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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: AKAcastor to Bob Worm on Tue Jul 02 2024 12:05:44

Hi, Chris.

Oh no. I didn't realize the depths of the depravity of Sinclair BASIC.
I've always been curious about the ZX Spectrum but now I must re-evaluate whether it is a curiousity or a curse.

The later releases I believe worked the "normal" way, it was just the very memory constrained earlier BASICs that made life that difficult. Possibly you could get used to it but I sure as hell was not going to put myself through that for a computer I didn't own.

People loved the Spectrums, I never understood it. The C64 had much better graphics and sound, plus a proper keyboard, and what the hell is a Kempston joystick? Supposedly the games were better?

I have basically just insulted the religion of 50% of British 8 bit fans, I was going to say they will be out with the pitchforks but, if they were here, they would already have been out defending that awful BASIC.

Actually most of my friends had Spectrums (Spectra?) back in the day and C64s were in the minority, most people probably didn't care about the BASIC because to them that was just the thing you use to load your games off tape. Then you had the hoity-toity BBC crew, whose mum or dad (or both) invariably worked at a school because nobody was shelling out 400 squids of their own money for an 8 bit micro :)

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Oh no. I didn't realize the depths of the depravity of Sinclair BASIC.

The later releases I believe worked the "normal" way, it was just the very memory constrained earlier BASICs that made life that difficult. Possibly you could get used to it but I sure as hell was not going to put myself through that for a computer I didn't own.

Not sure where it came from, but we liberated a Sinclair from a School
Cabinet. It had the wacky press this button for print, do not type print, do not pass go. We gave it back after the weekend :)

On a slightly different note, I've no idea what it'd be overseas, but we had the "Dick Smith VZ" range of computers, VZ200 sticks in mind, not sure how
many other models there were, but it worked the same way. Horrible little things, even smaller in footprint than the sinclair, but boxier and a little taller, like a small tissue box. The keys were flat with the top surface,
and you had to push them below the surface to get a key stroke.

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Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
By: Spectre to Bob Worm on Wed Jul 03 2024 21:37:00

Hi, Spec.

Not sure where it came from, but we liberated a Sinclair from a School Cabinet. It had the wacky press this button for print, do not type print, do not pass go. We gave it back after the weekend :)

There's something to be said for a system that's so disappointing that people not only think twice about pinching it but actually return it once they've had a go.

Somehow reminds me of when an old friend took the dashboard out of a car to turn the mileage back and someone had written "oh no, not again!" in tippex on the back :)

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Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

You had a spreadsheet? We were writing basic programs on paper... :/

At my first job in college, one of the older guys kept asking me where
the spreadsheets were. I had no idea what he meant, I thought he meant
Excel? Maybe he needed it installed on his Mac?

No, he was referring to a 2 foot wide "columnar pad", a pad of paper
with spreadsheet columns that he used to use to create spreadsheets by
*hand*.




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