Hi,
Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

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Hi,
Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

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Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

Hell no. I have a real A1200 :)

L8rz
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I will certainly consider getting one, if the asking price isn't too outrageous!

Unfortunately, it may never be released, due to legal shenanigans with two of the old Amiga IP holders. Everybody wants to be in charge! :-)

I'm pretty pessimistic at the moment.

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Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

I hope yer gonna buy it for me - I can send my details over...



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Hell no. I have a real A1200 :)

I've two A1200 and one A500. Also have the A600gs and two A500 mini's...
But i ordered theA1200 ! :-)

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I will certainly consider getting one, if the asking price isn't too outrageous!

190Euros at Amazon France.

Unfortunately, it may never be released, due to legal shenanigans with
two of the old Amiga IP holders. Everybody wants to be in charge! :-)

If not, Amazon do a refund ;-)

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re: Legal difficulties

The latest issue of COMPUTE!s GAZETTE has a detailed description of all the legal wrangling that is holding up the production ofTHE A1200. It's an interesting, if
maddening story!

As usual, everybody wants a piece of the pie. :-)

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How much was the TheA1200 you ordered?
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Oh, I see you said 190euros. Not bad!

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Oh, I see you said 190euros. Not bad!

189.99 Euros. Free delivery and scheduled for June 20, 2026.

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I've two A1200 and one A500. Also have the A600gs and two A500 mini's... But i ordered theA1200 ! :-)

That's the trouble with Amigas, they multiply. :D

Cheers,
RetroSwim

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That's the trouble with Amigas, they multiply. :D

Haha, you are right! It is true that Commodore "Brand" is very active at the moment with the Amiga and C64.

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Re: Re: TheA1200
By: Gods69 to Retroswim on Wed Dec 03 2025 09:55 pm

That's the trouble with Amigas, they multiply. :D

Haha, you are right! It is true that Commodore "Brand" is very active at the moment with the Amiga and C64.

Several years ago, I remember seeing ads for a new Commodore 64 computer, but it was basically a Windows PC in a Commodore 64 style keyboard case. It had a fairly standard PC motherboard, made to fit that case, with a fairly standard I/O backplate on the back of the keyboard case. It looked cool, and I thought about buying one, but I didn't. And I don't think they kept making those.

I seem to recall hearing something about a new Amiga computer being released.. I just did a search online, and I saw this about an upcoming re-release of the Amiga 1200 (which you can pre-order), though I don't think this is what I was thinking of:

https://retrogames.biz/products/thea1200/

That looks pretty cool.. though I'm not sure if it's something I'd use very often.

Nightfox

re-release of the Amiga 1200 (which you can pre-order), though I don't think this is what I was thinking of:

https://retrogames.biz/products/thea1200/

That looks pretty cool.. though I'm not sure if it's something I'd use very often.

It will be like the C64 Maxi released years ago. An A500 mini with a working USB keyboard... I don't know if the ARM SoC will be upgraded.
Some people just buy it to put a Myster FPGA inside...

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Re: TheA1200
By: Gods69 to All on Sat Nov 29 2025 17:08:42

Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

No. Because it doesn't come with an OS; it's strictly a game machine.
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Re: Re: TheA1200
By: Retroswim to Gods69 on Wed Dec 03 2025 22:41:34

I've two A1200 and one A500.

That's the trouble with Amigas, they multiply. :D

One more and you'll have...THE THREE AMIGAS!
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Re: Re: TheA1200
By: Gods69 to Nightfox on Thu Dec 04 2025 01:40 pm

https://retrogames.biz/products/thea1200/

That looks pretty cool.. though I'm not sure if it's something I'd use
very often.

It will be like the C64 Maxi released years ago. An A500 mini with a working USB keyboard... I don't know if the ARM SoC will be upgraded. Some people just buy it to put a Myster FPGA inside...

I saw that it uses emulation.. It's cool that it's in a case that is modeled after the original Amiga 1200, but if it uses emulation, I can run an Amiga emulator on my PC right now.

Nightfox

Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

No. Because it doesn't come with an OS; it's strictly a game machine.

No, it will came with Amiga Workbench OS_3.1 and with emulation of a Hard Drive (HDF files) you have one working Amiga computer.

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I saw that it uses emulation.. It's cool that it's in a case that is modeled after the original Amiga 1200, but if it uses emulation, I can
run an Amiga emulator on my PC right now.

All use emulation now, in software or hardware (FPGA). Even now we emulate faster CPU's on real Amiga hardware, like the 68060 or 68080 CPU cores.

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Re: Re: TheA1200
By: Gods69 to Mortar M. on Thu Dec 04 2025 10:08 pm

Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

No. Because it doesn't come with an OS; it's strictly a game machine.

No, it will came with Amiga Workbench OS_3.1 and with emulation of a Hard Drive (HDF files) you have one working Amiga computer.

You replied to me but didn't quote anything from me.. The things you quoted were written by other people. ??

Nightfox

Re: Re: TheA1200
By: Gods69 to Nightfox on Thu Dec 04 2025 10:14 pm

I saw that it uses emulation.. It's cool that it's in a case that is
modeled after the original Amiga 1200, but if it uses emulation, I can
run an Amiga emulator on my PC right now.

All use emulation now, in software or hardware (FPGA). Even now we emulate faster CPU's on real Amiga hardware, like the 68060 or 68080 CPU cores.

Yeah, though I was thinking that a FPGA hardware solution would be more interesting. And is FPGA actually considered emulation? I thought I had read somewhere that some people don't consider that emulation, as FPGA basically re-creates the original capabilities in hardware; also, I think that should theoretically be 100% compatible and run just as well as the original hardware, whereas software emulation can be a bit tricky and not always be 100% compatible with all software for that platform.

Nightfox

Hi,
Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

I do hope to get one, unfortunately it can't be anytime soon. I did purchase a 64 maxi, and do like it.

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On 04 Dec 2025 at 03:16p, Nightfox pondered and said...

All use emulation now, in software or hardware (FPGA). Even now we em faster CPU's on real Amiga hardware, like the 68060 or 68080 CPU core

Responding to the above (not by Nightfox), the 68060 was a
real CPU manufactured by Motorola. It wasn't used in many
places, unfortunately: the Pentium had taken over for
consumer-grade desktop machines, and the workstations vendors
had all moved to RISC CPUs by then.

Yeah, though I was thinking that a FPGA hardware solution would be more interesting. And is FPGA actually considered emulation? I thought I
had read somewhere that some people don't consider that emulation, as
FPGA basically re-creates the original capabilities in hardware; also, I think that should theoretically be 100% compatible and run just as well
as the original hardware, whereas software emulation can be a bit tricky and not always be 100% compatible with all software for that platform.

FPGAs are programmable logic. You compile a program written
in a language like VHDL, (System) Verilog, or BlueSpec classic
into a bitstream that you can them load into the FPGA, and the
bitstream defines what the logic part does. Today's bigger
FPGAs contain a lot of stuff like DRAM, PHYs for various
protocols (PCIe, I2C/I3C, eSPI, USB, CAM, UARTs, ethernet MACs,
whatever). But if used to implement a CPU core, we call such
a beast a "soft core", since it's defined by software: the source VHDL/Verilog/BlueSpec/Chisel/Whatever program.

In that spirit, FPGAs running soft cores exhibit many of the
same quirky properties of software emulations of these older
CPUs.

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Re: Re: TheA1200
By: tenser to Nightfox on Fri Dec 05 2025 12:44 pm

Yeah, though I was thinking that a FPGA hardware solution would be more
interesting. And is FPGA actually considered emulation? I thought I had
read somewhere that some people don't consider that emulation, as FPGA
basically re-creates the original capabilities in hardware; also, I think
that should theoretically be 100% compatible and run just as well as the
original hardware, whereas software emulation can be a bit tricky and not
always be 100% compatible with all software for that platform.

FPGAs are programmable logic. You compile a program written in a language like VHDL, (System) Verilog, or BlueSpec classic into a bitstream that you can them load into the FPGA, and the bitstream defines what the logic part does. Today's bigger FPGAs contain a lot of stuff like DRAM, PHYs for various protocols (PCIe, I2C/I3C, eSPI, USB, CAM, UARTs, ethernet MACs, whatever). But if used to implement a CPU core, we call such a beast a "soft core", since it's defined by software: the source VHDL/Verilog/BlueSpec/Chisel/Whatever program.

In that spirit, FPGAs running soft cores exhibit many of the same quirky properties of software emulations of these older CPUs.

Ah, that makes sense.

Nightfox

Yeah, though I was thinking that a FPGA hardware solution would be more interesting. And is FPGA actually considered emulation? I thought I
had read somewhere that some people don't consider that emulation, as
FPGA basically re-creates the original capabilities in hardware; also, I think that should theoretically be 100% compatible and run just as well and not always be 100% compatible with all software for that platform.

FPGA is also emulation. You must also program it in VHDL or Verilog language. There is an "Human" factor, with this "BUG's" inside.
With FPGA you can do all the things in parallel, one bloc for the Clocks,
one for generating the display, one for Sound, another for CPU, etc...
They work individualy, no need to wait for each.
In software you have do to all the jogs sequencely. But with the CPU more and more powerful the gap is narrowing.

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Are you going to buy the new "TheA1200" from Retro Games ? And why ?

I do hope to get one, unfortunately it can't be anytime soon. I did purchase a 64 maxi, and do like it.

I also have two C64,three C64 mini's and one C64 Maxi... ;-)

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Responding to the above (not by Nightfox), the 68060 was a
real CPU manufactured by Motorola. It wasn't used in many

Yeap ! Sorry , 68060 are "real". But they are also emulated in some
Amiga accelerator cards i think (?)

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On 05 Dec 2025 at 08:11a, Gods69 pondered and said...

FPGA is also emulation. You must also program it in VHDL or Verilog language. There is an "Human" factor, with this "BUG's" inside.

Trust me, there are bugs in silicon, too. Usually quite a lot. :-(

Many machines in the early days were "microcoded": that is, the CPU instructions that programmers work in terms of are, themselves,
written in terms of even simpler "micro-ops". Of course, the programmer doesn't (generally) get to see those, but they're there, and sometimes
the micro programs have bugs.

The big innovation with RISC was that you didn't _need_ to do that,
and that if you cut out the ucode, you could make the CPU a lot faster.
The idea has come back in favor in recent years, though under the
hood things are mostly RISC. Even systems like x86, with its grotesque instruction set, are really RISC cores (really, dataflow CPUs) with an instruction emulation layer plastered on top.

With FPGA you can do all the things in parallel, one bloc for the Clocks, one for generating the display, one for Sound, another for CPU, etc... They work individualy, no need to wait for each.
In software you have do to all the jogs sequencely. But with the CPU
more and more powerful the gap is narrowing.

That's not _quite_ true. With multicore/SMT CPUs, you can have
hardware thread running each of those functions, in parallel with
the others. Unfortunately, they can't be _quite_ independent: one
functional unit might need to wait for the result of another before
it can meaningfully proceed. (Consider fetching instructions from
RAM before decoding them, and so on.)

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I've two A1200 and one A500. Also have the A600gs and two A500 mini's. But i ordered theA1200 ! :-)

That's the trouble with Amigas, they multiply. :D

Same thing with Ataris ;) I have two 65XE I don't know how ;)

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Re: Re: TheA1200
By: Gods69 to Mortar M. on Thu Dec 04 2025 22:08:26

No, it will came with Amiga Workbench OS_3.1...

Not the story I got from Retro Games, so I guess we'll see.
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Re: Re: TheA1200
By: Gods69 to Nightfox on Thu Dec 04 2025 22:14:51

All use emulation now, in software or hardware (FPGA).

FPGA is not emulation.
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FPGA is not emulation.

For me is Hardware emulation. FPGA also need to be programmed to react like
the original machine. It's better on some tasks and use very low power in comparison to modern CPU running Software emulation.

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